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    Posted: 16 May 17 at 9:03am
My dilemma is finding the perfect boat for my situation, which I know doesn't exist.... ;-)

Background - 59yr old, 85kg man (me) and medium build woman (my partner) came back into sailing after 20yr gap and bought an RS400 2 yrs ago. Partner now decides she doesn't want to race and cant commit the time anyway, just wants to potter for an hour or 2 occasionally with me in a boat and maybe have some small speed excitement . The 400 doesnt meet that criteria, and I, reluctantly, accept that. (I love the 400... ). I was previously an experienced dinghy sailor, racing in Laser 2's for years at Nationals and Worlds, then an RS600, then a Spice. Have a long-expired Dinghy Instructors certificate. My partner is at competent crew level - we met only a few years ago.

So am after 1 boat (2 boats isnt really practical), where I can have some fun blasting (but not hairy), occasionally race and can go 2-up when needed, and single-handed for the rest.

After a ton of reviewing every boat on the planet, I seem to have narrowed down to 2 boats - completely different sorts though.

RS Vareo - fun single-hander that can occasionally go 2-up.
RS Vision - two hander (slower, simpler, safer, plastic version of the 400, for pottering but can be sailed single-handed.

Sale of the 400 (about 3k) will fund whatever boat I go for.

My questions to you great folk out there :-
Is the Vareo suitable for a slightly unfit, 85kg man and can it accomodate a 2nd adult occasionally - the RS website intimates it can, but then they would ....

Is the Vision enough fun for single-handed sailing? Not a fan of plastic tubs, and the interior looks a little like that, but can live with it, maybe.

I live 3 miles from the RS HQ and like their range, so am happy with them, but am open to other suggestions. Not interested in any 50's/60's/70's/80's type of classes" - sorry.

Any thoughts? Especially from those who have experience of these boats?  (Yes, I have read every Vareo and Vision thread on Y&Y  ;-)   )



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You have probably looked into that already, but how about an RS Quest?
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Yep, I looked into the Quest. Looks nicer than a Vision, and is really an updated Vision. However, the class is too new for my budget.
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Vision and a quest are far too heavy to be lugging around alone, especially if there is any gradient in the shore line. The vario is a nice little boat and plenty of space for a second occasional potter
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I considered the Vario before I settled on a Blaze. I have reconsidered it now I'm looking for a third boat but will probably buy a Supernova. For singlehanding the Blaze is fantastic but is not going to be much fun for taking your partner for a cruise. I suspect the 'nova will be the same. The Vario looks much roomier and has the added interest of the kite for that bit of two up fun. That's where I would put my money (and you'll get a good one for under 2k).
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ttc546 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 17 at 2:29pm
Think you are right Sam. Am leaning to the Vareo for sure. Any Vareo owners out there that would like to comment?
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The vision is possibly the worst sailing boat of all time, avoid if you want to enjoy sailing
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I was very tempted by the Vario but ultimately it was the kite that put me off as I wanted something I would have a chance of sailing near it's potential, a kite on a small lake must make it harder to sail to it's handicap.
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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was very tempted by the Vario but ultimately it was the kite that put me off as I wanted something I would have a chance of sailing near it's potential, a kite on a small lake must make it harder to sail to it's handicap.

Kite boats on a small pond are never likely to sail to potential. We have a very good RS200 at my local club but they struggle to do well and a Fireball helmed by a chap capable of winning races at worlds level who also struggles.

It teaches you boat handling and spinnaker drills but the time you lose is rarely made up unless the course is really favourable.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 17 at 4:54pm
The best solution is for your chosen club to have reasonable two handed training boats that you can hire out when you want to sail with your partner, and then have an uncompromised singlehander to sail on your own. Otherwise you risk ending up with a boat that isn't much fun to sail singlehanded, but isn't really very comfortable two handed either. Trouble is its not an option open to all of us.
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