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ttc546
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Topic: 2-up in a Vareo or 1 up in a Vision? Posted: 17 May 17 at 10:34am |
Luckily, I have rather a big "lake" to sail on .... the Solent ;-)
Yep, have heard the Vareo is purported to be slow upwind, though the owners site suggests this is also about boat tuning, as there is no reason for it to be slow design wise. I dunno .. just reporting what I read. I think the RS100 is a bit too lively for me, and I am nervous of the wing width trying to right it after a capsize (if only I was still a fit, atheletic, rippling muscle, hunk of a 20+ yr old ... )- and wont take a 2nd person. Personally I lust after an Aero, but out of budget and also wont take a 2nd person. ;-)
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ttc546
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 17 at 10:36am |
I do think RS have a bit of an unnecessary overlap with the 100 / Vareo / Aero. I am sure one of them will be culled sooner or later, as was the 300 from their range.
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 17 at 11:11am |
To me the 100, Vareo and Aero each have their USP. Aero :- super light L@ser for the 21st century and D-Zero alternative, 100 :- D-One alternative and slightly tamer Musto and Vareo :- singlehanded assy for the average sailor.
RS will cull whatever doesn't sell though.........
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Neptune
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 17 at 4:12pm |
You want to try and climb into a Vision after a capsize, no handholds so its a one arm pull up on the shroud and then hope you can grab a toe strap with the other arm
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seasailor
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 17 at 8:04pm |
I would put in a good word for the Vision. I think worst boat ever or whatever is really unfair, but we can agree to disagree. But I wouln't recommend it as a singlehander.
We have one. When we bought it I wanted the option of me and my wife sailing together, or being able to sail with one or both kids. My wife didn't want a trapeze or a symmetric kite. 400 too lively, 200 too small, it came down to L2000 or Vision and 2000 was £2k or £3k more expensive for a new one. The only advantage of the 2000 seemed to be an established circuit. So we went for the Vision and yes it's plastic, yes it's heavy, but it's been great for us and what we wanted. But for singlehanding it is proper heavy to get up a beach or slip and it is hard to get into after a capsize. I really wouldn't fancy capsizing one singlehanded with the kite up. Never sailed a Vareo, but for what you want I think it would be better than the Vision. |
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ttc546
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 17 at 8:21pm |
Really appreciate all your input everyone. The good news is a) I sold my 400 today, and b) I have made a decision to find a suitable Vareo. I think the comments about the Vision being too heavy for man-handling on my own on the beach helped make that decision. Vareo here I come :-)
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 19 May 17 at 10:01am |
Vareo does not go 'badly' upwind, it just doesn't point very high. Sadly most people stuff them and wonder why it suffers. It was also brought out as the third singlehander from RS - following the the RS600 and RS300.... both of which are AMAZING upwind.... bit of difficult expectation to live up to.
You should not have any problem holding a Laser to the windward mark in Vareo, even if you foot a bit. After that you leave them for dust.... even on a single sail reach. Think of it as a modern Solo with a downwind turbo button..... then you kind of get where the Vareo sits in the grand scheme of things. At the time when the Vareos built some popularity in the 'not another laser' list of options, other choices were things like the Blaze, 300, Supernova etc... they are definitely geared more for performance than the Vareo. I'd hope the 'solo with a kite' analogy is somewhat better and will not set the bar too high, thus to fail to meet expectations. I would buy another one if the circumstances were right, but in all honesty feel things have probably moved on with the Aero coming to fruition on the international scene.
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ttc546
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 17 at 2:13pm |
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In the end, bought Vareo #416 at the weekend. I have re-roped all lines in nice bright colours, added 16:1 kicker, new toes straps, and added righting lines. Ready to go sailing asap :-)
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 17 at 5:32pm |
That looks very nice Chris, have fun
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 May 17 at 7:48pm |
Excellent!
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