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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was very tempted by the Vario but ultimately it was the kite that put me off as I wanted something I would have a chance of sailing near it's potential, a kite on a small lake must make it harder to sail to it's handicap.

I'm having a ball sailing my Musto at Burghfield sailing club at the moment, yeah I admit its a compromise, but actually its great boat handling fun and you notice the difference in the confidence it gives you.

Club sailing should be about fun, not pot chasing.
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Originally posted by jeffers

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was very tempted by the Vario but ultimately it was the kite that put me off as I wanted something I would have a chance of sailing near it's potential, a kite on a small lake must make it harder to sail to it's handicap.

Kite boats on a small pond are never likely to sail to potential. We have a very good RS200 at my local club but they struggle to do well and a Fireball helmed by a chap capable of winning races at worlds level who also struggles.

It teaches you boat handling and spinnaker drills but the time you lose is rarely made up unless the course is really favourable.

How true, hence the Blaze and Spice in Anglesey and, probably, a 'nova at home. But the OP want's something for occasional racing, singlehanded blasting and the occasional two up cruise. Vareo looks perfect :)


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Originally posted by Neptune

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I was very tempted by the Vario but ultimately it was the kite that put me off as I wanted something I would have a chance of sailing near it's potential, a kite on a small lake must make it harder to sail to it's handicap.

I'm having a ball sailing my Musto at Burghfield sailing club at the moment, yeah I admit its a compromise, but actually its great boat handling fun and you notice the difference in the confidence it gives you.

Club sailing should be about fun, not pot chasing.

I think Burgfield is a reasonably large pond isn't it? Definitely helps with a fast assy boat. L&L is a bit smaller I suspect, our 200s and 400s do pretty well but we do have some very good crews. No Musto's though..... 

I suspect my pot hunting days are behind me, but I do want a boat that I can sail competently and I can get my kite flying jollies in the Spice.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ttc546 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 May 17 at 7:19pm
Originally posted by JimC

The best solution is for your chosen club to have reasonable two handed training boats that you can hire out when you want to sail with your partner, and then have an uncompromised singlehander to sail on your own. Otherwise you risk ending up with a boat that isn't much fun to sail singlehanded, but isn't really very comfortable two handed either. Trouble is its not an option open to all of us.

True, tho my club has a good youth program that commandeer the boats more often than not.

Do you think the Vareo a compromised single-hander? I know that some say it is slow upwind, but that is not really an issue for me.

Kinda looks that there may be an untapped niche market for this type of boat - single hander with room for 2.

Looking my fave option at the moment.  :-)
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My RS400 for sale if anyone is interested ;-)

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Sailed both, liked the Vareo a lot, hated the Vision with a passion. Laser 2000 (as was) would work better.
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Originally posted by MattK

The vision is possibly the worst sailing boat of all time, avoid if you want to enjoy sailing

Could not agree more. RS should be running a scrappage scheme.

These situations are where club boats come in handy. Buy the one you'll use the most and borrow the one that fills the gaps. Most doubleheaders that can be singlehanded will be painful to pull up the ramp alone


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Originally posted by MattK

The vision is possibly the worst sailing boat of all time, avoid if you want to enjoy sailing

Dear oh dear mate, you need to get out more. There have been very many far far worse boats than the Vision, which doesn't to me seem to be a bad thing for its intended use.

On second thoughts, don't get out more. If you've never sailed a worse boat than the Vision you're greatly to be envied, and no-one really needs that sort of experience...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ttc546 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 17 at 8:41am
Surprised at the venom towards the Vision as all the reviews show it to be good at what it does and the better of the comparable boats. Its not pretty in the cockpit for sure but it is after all meant as a fun plastic family boat. Horses for courses ;-)

Trying to find someone locally who has a Vareo to test sail (not RS as they will want to sell me a new one ;-) ...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 May 17 at 10:21am
We've got a couple of Visions at our club and I've even witnessed one doing well on the lake in competent hands, the general view is they are a bit of a bandit in strong wind but in anything else a boring plugger, useful for training but nobody would actually go out and buy one.

The Vareo perplexes me, I've studied it time and again and can't understand why it is so slow upwind, years ago it was recommended to me as an ideal vehicle in which to take up dinghy sailing, by no less than the owner of RS we'd become inebriated together on the Guiness stand at the time of its launch, but from that day to this I've never got my butt into one, the RS100 came along and I guess superceded it.

Folk talk of it being hard to hike, others say it's a bit like the 500 in a grooveless sort of way upwind, others say the sail doesn't cut it, so I guess the advice to try and find one to give a try would be best, there was a regular poster on here from over Thanet way who was a regular Vareo guy think he was even a championship winner, but he eventually went the way of the L2000 to take his daughter out in, so draw whatever conclusion you will from that, it does however (the Vareo) remain on my list to try, as a sea boat, I wouldn't however consider it for Lake racing.

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