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It is only a restrictive practice if it stops you from doing something that you could otherwise do.

You are perfectly able to kick a football in a field (provided you are allowed to be on that field) without any issues, but taking part in an organised league would mean you'd have to join a club. Similarly, in sailing, you can sail in waters which have no restrictions on them, but for certain activities you'd have to join a club. But nobody forces you to do that. However, you can't have your cake (take part in an organised race) and eat it (stay out of membership in a relevant organisation).

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It's not protectionism. Sailing racing works because there are agreed rules. To race you must accept those rules and you do that by being a member of a body that is affiliated. There are costs to creating, monitoring and updating those rules and it's quite reasonable that those wanting to take part in organised racing support it. 

If you don't want to join a club then the cheapest option is individual membership of the RYA - which you've said you don't want to do, but have failed to explain why.

I wouldn't assume that you automatically become a temporary member of a club by registering for an event. That may be true in some places, but not everywhere - you would need to check.
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if other members of the class are signing on using the class association, do the same.... if they are not, simply put RYA in the box.  It's not like they are going to check with the RYA if you are a member or not is it?  

Sure, technically this is 'cheating', but if you're only doing a couple of events a year, then I sure as hell would never protest it.... rather encourage you to come along to a few events so that club membership becomes something you might actually find time and opportunity for down the line....

helpful to know which class though.... 
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Yes I think my point has been a little missed.
1, you become a temporary member of a club when your registra.
2, you agree to comply with the ws/rya rules of sailing at the same time by signing the documents.
If I open the sailerf yacht club to men only who must go to church every third Sunday and eat pork on a Thursday and have three wife's. No court in the land would uphold my rules If I stopped some from entering one of my events.
I understand stand that other spots are the same in some ways but we are taking about sailing. There must be a lawyer here that can answer this.
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Originally posted by Sailerf

Yes I think my point has been a little missed.

Sorry, but I don't get your point. A club, being affiliated to the RYA, holds an event, and requires membership to a club (or the RYA) as an entry condition to that event, in order to police adherence to rules etc. You are not member of either a club, or the RYA, but you want to take part anyway. It seems to me to be clear that this is not a restrictive practice. It is your choice whether you want to take part in the event under the prescribed conditions. If you are not happy with them, you are free not to participate.


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Originally posted by Sailerf

Yes I think my point has been a little missed.
1, you become a temporary member of a club when your registra.

I doubt this is the case for most events that I have ever entered.... but I could be wrong
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My take on the temporary membership thing is that it is granted so that competitors / participants in the event can use the club's facilities for the duration. I've seen it in the documentation for week-long events, less so for a one- or two-day open. Not sure that a visitor can / should claim membership of the host club for the purposes of entry. 

Whilst it is in the rules that to compete membership is required, does anyone check? Another example of rules not enforced, a la replica kit in SMODs.

Sailing is far from alone in proscribing rules etc. As I understand it, Fred cannot be registered to play for more than one FA affiliated football club at the same time, but I'm happy to be corrected if this is not the case.
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You may become a temporary member at some clubs by registering for an event, but it's certainly not always the case, or I suspect common. You may be granted guest access to the facilities, for the duration, as in this excerpt from the rules of a club that runs regular open events:

"Any person not a Member of the Club, who is a competitor or crew member in any race
sponsored by or on behalf of the Club, or a competitor or crew member's bona-fide guest, is entitled to the use of the Club premises both during and within a period of twenty-four hours before and after the event in which they are competing if so authorised by a member of the Executive Committee."

but that is not temporary membership. But you won't be a competitor unless you are a member of an affiliated club, or the RYA, so you won't get valid guest access either!


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That rule in most clubs is there to allow competitors to buy drinks at the bar as most clubs license only allowed members to buy alcohol.
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Originally posted by turnturtle

Originally posted by Sailerf

Yes I think my point has been a little missed.
1, you become a temporary member of a club when your registra.

I doubt this is the case for most events that I have ever entered.... but I could be wrong

Definitely not the case at any club I have visited. You are usually granted 'guest' membership for licensing law purposes usually (as most sailing clubs are private members clubs there are restrictions on their intoxicating liquor licenses).

As others have said the cheapest way forward is individual RYA membership which is around 40 a year (IIRC) or find a 'ghost' club that is affiliated. Either way you will have to be affiliated with the RYA. Giving a little bit of your cash to support your sport is not unreasonable to ask....
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