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    Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 7:49pm

Well this could go horribly wrong for a first post.

I have just got back in to dinghy sailing and wile I like it has to fit in with a number of other things I like and like not to do in life. I am lucky enough to be able to keep my dinghy in a field by the water where I can launch from. Now and again I would like to go and sail at some events. My life does not allow me to do that very regularly. And I have been told I must be a member of a club or the Rya to enter an event by the class. Now the boat is insured and I am a member of the class. I did join the local yacht club some years ago but found I had only been there three times in the year, so it seemed to be a bit of a waste of money. Now I would rather cut of my arm that give the RYA any money could someone explain how anyone can impose this type of restrictive practice in this day and age legally? 

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You need to be a member of something connected to World Sailing as you are using their rules, basically. Some classes are very strict, others will be happy for you to give things a go before worrying about it.

Why such strict objection to the RYA? They may have their oddities, do things you might object to, even, but they are hardly evil.
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Thanks not going to have discussion on feelings about the rya here . So as a member of the class and by paying an entry fee to a club to race do I not do that ? 
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I don't think so. It's all somewhere in the rules, can't remember the wording offhand.
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However entry to some events includes temporary membership of the club for the duration of the event, which should be adequate. There are also, I believe, 'paper' sailing clubs which provide the needed affiliation and absolutely nothing else for a very moderate membership.

The point of the exercise, AIUI, is that only people who are members of an organisation or its affiliates are subject to the rules and discipline of the organisation.
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Originally posted by Rupert

I don't think so. It's all somewhere in the rules, can't remember the wording offhand.

Rule 75
 
ENTERING A RACE
75.1 To enter a race, a boat shall comply with the requirements of the organizing authority of the race. She shall be entered by
(a) a member of a club or other organization affiliated to a World Sailing member national authority,
(b) such a club or organization, or
(c) a member of a World Sailing member national authority.

Provided that you class association is affiliated with RYA (or WS direct), which it may or may not be, you are OK.
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It's rule 75.1 of the current RRS.

I haven't done many events (and no class championships/opens) since I returned to dinghy racing 10 years ago but until last November I was not a member of either the RYA or an RYA affiliated club. The one annual open handicap event I did (three times in those years) did not ask for any proof of club/RYA membership (though it may have been in the declaration).

Other options :- many clubs offer a 'country membership' which costs significantly less than full membership. To qualify you have to live a minimum distance from the club (thus ensuring you are unlikely to sail there on a weekly basis). Or you could join a holiday club, my old club, RWBSWSC, has an annual membership of 62 and are RYA affiliated. Even if you never sailed there (and it's a great place to sail) it would almost be the cheapest way if you wish to be fully above board. But, if you can bring yourself to join the RYA that's only 45 and is the cheapest way to remain compliant and above board.

However I doubt you would be turned away by most local and regional events anyway, they would not want to discourage participation.




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What class of dinghy do you sail BTW?
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So I guess that by entering an event at a Uk sailing club you automatically become a temporary member as it will be a condition of the local council licence that all parties on there site using there facilities must be one. And by signing there paper work you have agreed to there terms and conditions. So you have met the criteria? My original question was how can a class or body impose this on one, as it would be deemed as restrictive practice and protectionism now days. 
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It's not a question of the RYA or whoever imposing the condition, it is part of the Racing Rules Of Sailing (as Rupert says) and if you choose to race you agree to abide by those rules. I imagine it's common to most competitive sports that to enter an event organised under the auspices of a National Body you have to be a member of that body (an affiliated club confers a level of membership). It is not unreasonable for that organising body to ask that each competitor helps fund their activities by either direct payment of subs or joining a club which pays them an affiliation fee. It certainly is the case that in motorsport, canoeing and windsurfing (which has a different national body to sailing in the UK) the organising body is funded in that way. I have no first hand knowledge of other sports but I'm sure football, running, cycling, tennis, cricket all have similar.

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