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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Elvstrom helmed a 505 from the wire with his daughter crewing..... However too many classes, these days, seem to have pointlessly restrictive rules (was it the RS800 that disallowed the crew taking the mainsheet?).

That has just changed.
I don't think it's a pointless rule. It has just been binned as it happens.
The good thing about the rule is that it made crewing the boat less physical, as on a boat like the 800, there can be a lot of gain in pumping the main (even within the rules! ). So if you want to sell the boat to females, you don't want the gorillas to have an advantage. At the time it was seen as desirable to promote the boat as 'accessible', which means there is a point to sailing like most other boats are sailed, so people could jump in from a Fireball or 505. Or even a 400!  :-)
The was probably some gain in being different from the I14.
Not to mention the 5k and the Boss.. Always best not mentioned perhaps?
Now of course, the world has moved on a bit, for instance there are lots of people growing up with mileage in 29ers, and there are people treating the 800 as a progession towards the 49er. And the reasons above seem less relevant perhaps?
It will be interesting to see how it works out for the class, not least outside the UK.
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Spice is great, love mine (others will disagree mind you). Cheap and robust but a little on the heavy side (156kg fully rigged!!!). It definitely qualifies as a 'Frankenboat' though being a Buzz hull with an ISO rig (more or less).....
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one for the more elderly arm-chair sailor?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Spice is great, love mine (others will disagree mind you). Cheap and robust but a little on the heavy side (.........

I knew a girl ike that once....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 10:07pm
Me too, not surprisingly Wink . But she did have a good turn of speed in the right conditions.......

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 10:21pm
Originally posted by RS400atC

Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

Elvstrom helmed a 505 from the wire with his daughter crewing..... However too many classes, these days, seem to have pointlessly restrictive rules (was it the RS800 that disallowed the crew taking the mainsheet?).

That has just changed.
I don't think it's a pointless rule. It has just been binned as it happens.
The good thing about the rule is that it made crewing the boat less physical, as on a boat like the 800, there can be a lot of gain in pumping the main (even within the rules! ). So if you want to sell the boat to females, you don't want the gorillas to have an advantage. At the time it was seen as desirable to promote the boat as 'accessible', which means there is a point to sailing like most other boats are sailed, so people could jump in from a Fireball or 505. Or even a 400!  :-)
The was probably some gain in being different from the I14.
Not to mention the 5k and the Boss.. Always best not mentioned perhaps?
Now of course, the world has moved on a bit, for instance there are lots of people growing up with mileage in 29ers, and there are people treating the 800 as a progession towards the 49er. And the reasons above seem less relevant perhaps?
It will be interesting to see how it works out for the class, not least outside the UK.

Yes I did notice that that had changed (in a post on here IIRC). Given the sheet loads on a moderately (over?) canvased two hander I'm not sure the crew job would be all that physical and at least the crew has both hands to play the main (and I doubt it would take much more strength than playing the 21M kite off wind)? But I haven't sailed one so I really don't know. My point being that boat designers/SMOD manufacturers/rights holders/class associations (or WHY) sometimes impose rules that don't always make sense to an outsider. What if the 505 CA had had a rule preventing the helm from trapezing (though I suppose Paul Elvstrom would then have crewed and got Trine to wiggle the stick with much the same result)? 


Edited by Sam.Spoons - 25 Feb 17 at 10:28pm
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 Feb 17 at 10:30pm
Originally posted by reuben

one for the more elderly arm-chair sailor?

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 9:26am
Some of you posters on here really know how to make a writer feel appreciated! It is just a mere three months since this website published a lengthy, detail obituary for the great Paul Elvstom.

http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/news/193648/Paul-Elvstr%C3%B6m,-Sailings-Greatest

Mention is made there, because I felt it important that it was included, of how Paul sailed the 505 from the wire with crew Pip Pearson sitting out. Paul was sailing the 505 before Trine was even born and at the time of him sailing with Pip, Trine would have been very young indeed.

Of course he did go on to sail with Trine, in the Tornado cat, but then she was out on the wire - so it might well be that this is one case where the 'alternative facts' are yet again proven to be wrong.

One other small point that is of little interest except for those who like to know about these things, the relationship between the FD and Contender. When I was writing 'Hooked On - The Story of the International Contender' I interviewed at length both Carl Ryves and Craig Whitworth, who were both closely associated with Bob Miller back in the early to mid 1960s. Bob had tried a couple of hull shapes for his single hander (some of which were decades ahead of their time) but needed something in a hurry as he had a potential sponsorship deal. He was sailing the FD at the time and simple 'borrowed' the shape,

Some years (make that many years) ago, UK dinghy ace Keith Paul had both an FD and a Contender, with the hulls painted in an identical fashion - red, with a white boot top. He also had a big garden. If you put the hulls upside down, with the FD much further back, from the other end of the garden both hulls looked the same size and you had to look very hard to work out which was which. Truly, 'imitation is the most sincere form of flattery'!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 9:46am
I blame my ageing memory Dougal, apologies Embarrassed. I did read and enjoy that excellent article so thank you for correcting my 'alternative' facts.

Edited by Sam.Spoons - 26 Feb 17 at 9:49am
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dougaldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 17 at 10:02am
Sam - if you took comments or the like personally, you'd never write a word! Am sat at the big writing desk of love laughing - and trying to work on the Dinghy Show talk. I need to be careful of what I say, rumour has it that the man from Kent may be in the hall somewhere.

On another day, when my mind is wandering (as it often does these day - age!)  I must collect some of my thoughts about the untimely demise of the Spice. For a while it was on the cards that I was to be asked to campaign the works boat. As you say, a tad overweight but a cracking boat for having lots of fun. You'll get the skiff purists on here, normally from the Cherub and 14s, who will mock the boat, as they do the Laser 5000, who without ever having sailed the boat, fail to give a moments thought to the thinking behind the boat 'when it was launched'.

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