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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon1277 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 8:19am
Having sailed 800 with wide racks to sit on as helm rather than twin trap.
I reckon its quicker movment for a good trapeze guy than slide back across a trampoline.
If the B14 had gone double trapeze it would have been up against the 49er/800/int14 and lost out to all. Wide racks and hiking gave it a USP and add competition with the Aussies.
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Apart from one day crewing a L4000 and a couple crewing a L5000 I have no experience of living with big racks. How do people with time on both compare? Capsize recovery, racks help or hinder? We did put the 5K in, in wind when the mainsheet bridle let go but it was rather a blur after that and a while ago to recall details. 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 10:04am
Only a dozen races in the Blaze but so far, as one would expect, I'm finding the racks much more secure than helming from the wire. As Gordon suggests though, tacking feels quicker with the wire (but you need a high enough boom to cross the boat on your feet). Capsize recovery doesn't seem to be an issue with racks but only done it a couple of time so far.

For the B14 racks are, indeed, it's USP and were definitely an inspired choice.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 11:20am
What would concern me with the B14 is being able to move inboard quickly in puffy conditions.
A boat I intend to get a ride on this year.
The USP is possibly that monsta kite, bag launched?
And the novelty of not fitting through gates.
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In fact it is actually much easier to recover form a capsize with the right type of racks in some classes.  You simply use the tubes as convenient handholds and step round the front as the boat goes over - it is instinctive.  Foot or feet on the centreboard and lean back, still holding onto those nice handholds.  Easy.  And as the boat rights itself (the tramps tend to slow/control the process) you simply step back over.  Much easier than trying to grip onto wet hull imo... or clamber around  a wide, 'flared' hull and you have those 'handholds' and righting leverage immediately to hand.

My own 'Frankenboat' ?  And this is one that might get built since there are 'doner' bits available.... narrowed Icon hull type with reduced freeboard - Blaze type wings but a bit wider and a Halo sized rig (so approx 11m) and just maybe a similar sided spinnaker.  Might be just as good with slightly less sail area as the hull is so easily driven and all the rest does work well and is proven over many years.   Apart from anything else I do think the 'hiking singlehander with spinnaker' slot an interesting one to play with.... if not ultimately attractive commercially, and this would just be a 'franken' project only.....    Smile 



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Originally posted by Do Different

Maybe racks for gusty / shifty venues.

Racks always look like an afterthought to me, except of a foiling moth of course. 




S'pose it's what you grew up with; they just look right to me, and most of the time they are critical to a design from its inception.

I can see were you are coming from, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Do Different Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 1:09pm
Exactly so. 505s, Contenders and Javelins (Peter Milne's not yours), then along came an L4000 which seemed bit of shin clatterer and scaffolders solution on my single trip.
As ever beauty is in the eye of the beholder and sometimes you have to look past the form and admire the function.

edit/add. A little like the current crop of F1 cars perhaps; all those tiny bits of aero trickery look like a dogs dinner to me but they must work and they stick like glue to the road.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 2:49pm
Originally posted by Cirrus




In fact it is actually much easier to recover form a capsize with the right type of racks in some classes.   Smile 




I can certainly echo that having capsized and recovered 18 times in one race in that infernal MPS and I'd agree the Blaze isn't difficult to recover if in fact you go right over, stepping round onto the plate works well to perfect 'dry' capsizes, They've got to be the two easiest boats I've ever recovered from, I haven't really seriously stacked this Solution yet but I can see it being a bit of a mare if ever I did, though not quite as bad as the worse boat in Christendom RS100..
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 4:03pm
Thin people with wide racks on 600's can pass between rack and hull to re-mount.
It's amusing (for bystanders) when a larger person with narrow racks tries to copy this....
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Post Options Post Options   Quote getafix Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Feb 17 at 6:51pm
I think the B14 hull shape and racks afford some scope for meddling and I wonder what it would be like with a rig refresh and updated foils - perhaps those wings could be used to widen the shroud base moth-alike and afford a higher aspect (wing) main sail and self tacking jib - if you could get it foiling then you wouldn't need the kite at all, just go full on big main wing and perhaps small foil in front?
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