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    Posted: 21 Dec 16 at 3:05pm
I'm curious,
Do any clubs allow competitors to count series results sailed in different boats/rigs.
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Our club allow the use of different rigs but the fastest PY would be used for all set-ups and it relies on the sailor signing on as the faster boat even when using the smaller rig. If they sign on with different rigs on different days it is counted as a separate entry


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We had this discussion a while back, and the answer seemed to be "quite a few".
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That came up at our club just recently. My Wife and I ran a series but we didn't compile the results. The different rigs were pointed out but the person who compiled/published them didn't think it mattered.......I'm in no rush to volunteer as sailing secretary so I'll not argue.  LOL


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We used to, but some felt it was unfair.

I believe we are going to allow Lasers to change rigs, but only to smaller. So, if you use a Radial first race, you can use a 4.7, on a Radial handicap. The problem with using a larger rig would be having to retrospectively change previous race results.

I guess we shall see what happens.
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As said by Jim this has been talked through before.

Seems to me it is very much "horses for courses" although that metaphor probably only adds to the contention in this question.

All depends on what the objective of the racing / series is. If a small easy going Club trying to encourage turnout then multiple boat and rig combinations seems acceptable to most. Larger Clubs with strong fleets may well favour a more purist approach. Although more work for those inputting results some run a dual scoring system, strictly allocating points to the one boat and another allocating points to the person regardless of boat or even if they are crew or helm.

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Originally posted by PaulPoshW

Our club allow the use of different rigs but the fastest PY would be used for all set-ups and it relies on the sailor signing on as the faster boat even when using the smaller rig.



This has been done locally to me not that i club race, and i feel it is more unfair than someone using two totally different boats for crew availability reasons for example

When you stick with one rig for a whole series your PY in theory reflects the fact that some days you have too much sail and some too little, and it should average out as the PY should be based on average conditions too

If you optimise rigs to the conditions your PY should be lower than the fastest rig available as you are never having the days when your boat is out of its optimal conditions
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Originally posted by MattK

 

This has been done locally to me not that i club race, and i feel it is more unfair than someone using two totally different boats for crew availability reasons for example

When you stick with one rig for a whole series your PY in theory reflects the fact that some days you have too much sail and some too little, and it should average out as the PY should be based on average conditions too

If you optimise rigs to the conditions your PY should be lower than the fastest rig available as you are never having the days when your boat is out of its optimal conditions


A lot of folk feel that way.

In my experience the decision to flaunt the the PY system in this way is quite often based on sailing snobbery, ie:   It's only a handicap race and therefore doesn't mean anything anyway.

While I would agree it's not as significant as the Burton cup (say) it does mean something. If handicap racing is the only dinghy racing that's available for a significant number of people it should be treated with respect IMO.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote piglet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Dec 16 at 11:26pm
I had assumed in my ignorance that 1boat=1entry was the status quo everywhere.
Is this underpinned in the RRS? (& where?)

I do know of one club that voted to trial Laser down-rigging.
Not sure how successful it's been.
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We allow it.
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