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Originally posted by piglet

It didn't count in my series though.


It all boils down to this. Is your club so short of qualifiers for series that they need to include every race everyone sails in order to get some prizes given out? I don't think anyone objects to people swapping boats or rigs rather than sitting on the shore, but is it worth distorting the rest of the series results?

I used to believe it was worth it. Now, I don't. If people want to put a series together, they need to take the rough with the smooth. If they want to chop and change to suit the weather, they have to accept they are racing for that one result.
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I think, though, these days there are fewer and fewer folk who are able to put a series together, so there's a strong desire to include as many as possible. It would be good to have some kind of format that worked for people who can't do many races, but didn't simply result in giving 4 times as many prizes to the same people. Never thought of one though.
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Maybe most people just don't look at things in terms of series any more? Maybe we should just run races, and at the end of the season give prizes based on all the races, fastest on water, handicap, handicap bands, personal handicaps, some "spot races" prizes.
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I used to race with an eye on the series result but, at the moment at least, I'm happy taking it race by race (not that I expect to be troubling the front of the fleet anytime soon). I think there used to be a 'regatta week' at RWBSC (my holiday club in my teens) and at Llanfwrog S. C. we have a trophy for a pursuit race aggregate (over about 4 races during the year) but mostly each day/weekend's racing is a self contained event with it's own trophy. 
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Originally posted by JimC

I think, though, these days there are fewer and fewer folk who are able to put a series together, so there's a strong desire to include as many as possible. It would be good to have some kind of format that worked for people who can't do many races, but didn't simply result in giving 4 times as many prizes to the same people. Never thought of one though.
Some ideas.

Generally, run shorter series, to benefit the 'time-poor'

Split your main series into Spring and Summer series.

Run several series of 5 or 6 races on consecutive weeks (for those that can negotiate short periods from home but not a whole season).

Run one or more series of races scheduled once a month (first Saturday or whatever), for those who can't spare consecutive weekends.

Nothing will stop those who become the club's best sailors by sailing in the most races from winning, but series like the above give good sailors with time constraints a chance.
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We do all the above, but qualifiers still short, have been for decades, I guess, never really bothered anyone except the person in charge of trophies (me about 10 years ago for 3 years) so long as there are people to race on the day.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Brass Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jan 17 at 7:31am
Good discussion of boat vs helm (but not different rigs) in RYA Appeal 1990/2

The racing rules do not differentiate between helmsman and crew. Restrictions on the helming of a boat may be imposed by class rules or by the notice of race. In the absence of any other provision, an owner or person in charge is free to invite anyone to steer the boat. The notice of race and the sailing instructions must state clearly when points are to be awarded to helmsmen rather than to boats and state any restrictions or qualifications that apply.

Worth a read in full.
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