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Sam.Spoons
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Topic: Club racing, multiple entries. Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 6:53pm |
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We've had this discussion recently IIRC. Either way my new club said they would treat it as two separate entries of I used the Blaze and Fire rigs during the same series. Not quite the same thing but I did some class racing crewing in a pals Merlin a few years ago, he let me helm one race as at his club the points all accrue to the boat not the helm.
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piglet
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 7:13pm | |
Moral maze:
Crew changes are generally accepted Crew/Helm swap over might be accepted Different helms same boat? Different boats same helm? Craiggo, do some competitors use this to advantage? Edited by piglet - 22 Dec 16 at 7:15pm |
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 7:21pm | |
The default position, AIUI, is indeed one boat, one entry, **no matter who is sailing the boat**. Which would give the prospect of, I dunno, lets say Team KitKat class,turning up with three boats with different sized rigs and 4 crews and helms of varying weights, and rotating the ideal sized crew/helm into each boat for the expected conditions in that race... But this is normally changed in NOR/SIs for small boat racing. Edited by JimC - 22 Dec 16 at 8:27pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 9:41pm | |
I can't see a reason to disallow a helm and crew swapping roles, in many boats the crews job is more involved than the helm. Likewise having multiple crews over the course of a series will be a disadvantage in many boats (maybe not in an Enterprise with an 8 year old in the light stuff and a gorilla when it blows :))
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Brass
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 10:32pm | |
The RRS themselves don't say anything about helming or 'skippering' except that a boat shall have on board a person in charge designated by the member or organization that entered the boat (rule 46). Restrictions on crew and helm changes are usually imposed by SI. Some snotty yotti clubs get positively hydrophobic about anybody but a member who is the owner steering a boat. Some clubs, in various guises run 'personal' pointscores. It would seem consistent with the Laser ethos that the boat is irrelevant and it's the driver that counts. Edited by Brass - 22 Dec 16 at 10:33pm |
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 22 Dec 16 at 11:34pm | |
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craiggo
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 16 at 4:43pm | |
I haven't come across anyone changing boats for advantage. A fair few of us at the club have a doublehander and a singlehander and if our crews aren't available we take our singlehanders out. We had a few Laser sailors who switched down a rig size on windy days but to be honest they aren't Laser circuit standard sailors so it's good just keep them on the water having fun, and they probably won't be in the chocolates anyway. I haven't come across any obvious cheating. The only thing you have to be careful with is that before you submit the results to the RYA pys you need to create separate entries for each boat or it messes up the returns. I did ask the sailwave guys to look at doing an update that allowed for this but it's low down on the properties list.
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Rupert
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 16 at 11:00pm | |
I've swapped boats in such a way that I've had an advantage. If I hadn't swapped boats, I'd have either been watching, or upside down. As it is, I've won. The joys of family Topper ownership!
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Sam.Spoons
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 23 Dec 16 at 11:11pm | |
I sailed the Spice solo at the las event this year, in light airs I won on the Saturday (by a minute on corrected time), F3-4 on Sunday and I did end living up the the boats monika the "Yellow Upside Down Boat".....
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piglet
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 24 Dec 16 at 7:54am | |
We have an uneasy truce on the use of 4.7's, unless that is your class of course.
This is my fault, I did a race a while back in extreme wind and won by a ridiculous margin. It didn't count in my series though. |
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