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Originally posted by Sam.Spoons

I think that GML is suggesting is that the rule requiring RC approval to substitute a good for a damaged sail does not prevent a change from a good (light weather) sail for another good (say, heavy weather) sail. It's down to the wording of the SIs and, in the scenario suggested by GML any protest would be bound to fail unless the SI's specifically outlaw any change of sail. TBF the SI's/Class rules are usually worded such that any substitution is banned except for damaged or lost equipment, and such must be verified by the Race Committee.

Thank you Sam, that was exactly what I was trying to suggest, but clearly didn't make myself clear. 

Unfortunately, in my experience, SIs often include just the statement I quoted, and so don't actually ban the changing of one good sail for another. I appreciate that some class rules explicitly say that only one sail may be used in a series of races, but many others don't.
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Whilst I'm sure every possible stuff up in writing SIs has been made by someone sometime, I can't imagine its very common to have the "RC approval" paragraph in the SIs without there being a restriction on exchanging gear somewhere else in the Class rules/NOR/SI chain. After all, why would anyone bother putting it in unless they thought there were gear swapping restrictions?
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The wording about 'damaged' comes from the Model SI, Appendix L to the RRS.

19.2 Substitution of damaged or lost equipment will not be allowed unless authorized by the [race committee] [protest committee]. Requests for substitution shall be made to the committee at the first reasonable opportunity.

I agree with Jim, L19.2 is designed on the assumption that there will be restrictions on sails and gear elsewhere, either in the NOR/SI or the Class Rules or wherever.

If the race committee put L19.2 in the SI without any other restriction elsewhere, then it should not work, and a good protest committee would consider that if the race committee wanted to restrict changing sails they should have damn well said so.

But you never know how a protest committee, thinking themselves aware of 'local practice' or whatever might go.  I'd be very wary of using legal terms of art like 'bound to fail' with respect to protests <g>.
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Originally posted by iGRF

Much better to not go sailing and stay in the bar than canvass down to continue racing... Dinghy Logic.


Much better to start an arms race where everyone needs a quiver of alternate rigs and sails  that prices the sport into extinction. Sailboard Logic.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote patj Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 16 at 7:15am
Some classes limit the number of sails you can have to prevent the arms race. This quote is from class rules for the Albacore.

Not more than 1 mainsail and 1 headsail shall be endorsed on the certificate when originally issued.
Sails may be added by endorsement as additions or replacements (but not both) at the rate of 1 mainsail and 2 headsails during each succeeding 12 month period commencing from the date of issue of the original/initial measurement certificate.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 16 at 10:04am
Originally posted by blueboy

Originally posted by iGRF

Much better to not go sailing and stay in the bar than canvass down to continue racing... Dinghy Logic.


Much better to start an arms race where everyone needs a quiver of alternate rigs and sails  that prices the sport into extinction. Sailboard Logic.

But windsurf racing is far from extinct, Raceboards have experienced a comeback in the last few years despite a new board and rig costing more than a L@ser.
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Can't speak for any other classes, but in the Fireball we're allowed to 'measure in' two suits of sails for a regatta, and one of everything else. Only that kit may be used unless permission is granted for a substitution and the old can be inspected before that approval is given.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Neptune Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 16 at 10:19pm
Similar in the Musto Skiff too, but second sails are normally if it's dog off chains windy and people don't want their good ones thrashed
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Sam.Spoons Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Oct 16 at 10:51pm
I always use my second best Spice sails for club racing but a new suit would cost more than I paid for the boat :)
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Oct 16 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by Sam.Spoons


Originally posted by blueboy


Originally posted by iGRF

Much better to not go sailing and stay in the bar than canvass down to continue racing... Dinghy Logic.
Much better to start an arms race where everyone needs a quiver of alternate rigs and sails  that prices the sport into extinction. Sailboard Logic.

But windsurf racing is far from extinct, Raceboards have experienced a comeback in the last few years despite a new board and rig costing more than a L@ser.


There are lots of Racing Windsurf Classes, dinghy clubs however having driven them away fail to benefit from those numbers. Even if they were just included in the handicap system, which they were denied entry to because of the difference between planing and none planing, which yet managed to accommodate MPS's and Foiling Moths, it's a silly stupid attitude that emanates from the RYA and exists to this very day. One thing I have learned from these ten years sat down, there really isn't a lot of difference between what we racing board sailors do and we racing sailboat drivers, it's just a pity we can't come together for the greater good of sailing competition.
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