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    Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 5:24pm
A theoretical question. 

Under the racing rules of sailing, trapeze's are banned (I can't remember which rule number it is) and so any class that has trapezes must write into their class rules that they are allowed and that it contradicts that particular racing rule. 
When an RS800 turns up to a handicap event, no one has a problem with them trapezing.

However, if a class were to write into it's class rules that rule 42 does not apply to the class and that free kinetics are allowed in all conditions, how would that sit with handicap racing. 
Think 3 knots of wind and class A is happily rocking non stop all the way round the course gaining a sizeable advantage, whilst class B and C can't. 

Is this a situation that could exist?  How would people feel about it? 
If people would be unhappy about it why are they not equally unhappy about trapezing as this gives a massive advantage in windier weather over longer courses.  Those that hike will tire out, whilst those on trapezes just keep laying there maintaining maximum leverage. 



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In theory, with empirical handicaps like PYS the calculated handicap should reflect the improved performance from allowed kinetics in light conditions, just as it reflects the improved performance from the trapeze in trapeze conditions.

In practice I think class rules almost invariably specify that unlimited kinetics are only permitted if a given flag is flown, so the issue is moot. The people to ask would be those who mix boards and dinghies.
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Can you point us to the rule where trapezes are banned, please?
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RRS 49 bans trapezes, but 86.1(c) allows class rules to override this.
In general, yardstick numbers take account of the use of trapezes, or any other class-specific equipment, but do not take account of any class-allowed kinetics, as they are generally only allowed in class races.

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49.1 Competitors shall use no device designed to position their bodies outboard, other than hiking straps and stiffeners worn under the thighs.

Would be the one I think.

Rules that modify Rule 42 (ie switch it off) normally require the race committee to actively allow it with a flag signal

C.1.1 RULES
(1) RRS 42.3 is changed by adding: The Race Committee may signal in accordance with RRS Appendix P5 that pumping, rocking and ooching are permitted after the starting signal, except when the boatís proper course is close-hauled or above. This changes rules 42.2(a), 42.2(b) and 42.2(c).
(2) The Finn Class recommends that race committees
apply Rule C.1.1 (1) in winds of 10 knots and above, measured at deck level on a race committee boat at the windward mark. See also A.7.2.
(3) In accordance with RRS 43.1(b), the maximum weight for a competitorís clothing and equipment is increased from 8kg to 10kg.

So you wouldn't be able to abandon rule 42 in a handicap race, but you could have the heavier clothing allowance, as I read it.

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I'm not aware of any rule that prevents the Race Committee for a handicap race displaying Oscar in accordance with RRS Appendix P5, thereby allowing boats of certain classes to pump, rock or ooch in accordance with their class rules, even if not many (any?) do.

Problem is that some sailors in such boats don't seem to know that they are not allowed to pump, rock or ooch when Oscar has not been displayed, even if the windspeed is above the level for their class  Ermm
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Thank you. Next question, why? Wouldn't class rules (either way) cover this?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 16 at 9:58pm
All very well these semantics, when half the handicap racers don't even respect basic port starboard if it doesn't suit them.
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Originally posted by GML

...some sailors in such boats don't seem to know that they are not allowed to pump, rock or ooch when Oscar has not been displayed

An ignorance shared, IME by some sailors in a number of classes which have no Oscar rule.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote zippyRN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Jul 16 at 5:06pm
Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by GML

...some sailors in such boats don't seem to know that they are not allowed to pump, rock or ooch when Oscar has not been displayed

An ignorance shared, IME by some sailors in a number of classes which have no Oscar rule.


at what point does a 'roll tack' become illegal kinetics ????


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