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JimC
Really should get out more Joined: 17 May 04 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 6649 |
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Topic: In or Out? Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 8:07am |
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Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 8:24am |
My already great contempt for those who feel they have the right to govern us has increased by magnitudes over the course of this negative, scaremongering wasteful campaign, whatever the side.
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turnturtle
Really should get out more Joined: 05 Dec 14 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2538 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 9:26am |
indeed - but Dave and George had far further to fall in my estimations than Boris and Mike... yesterday was the final nail in the coffin- the utter contempt shown to honest fishermen, exercising their basic democratic freedoms, was IMHO, the lowest point either campaign has gone.... especially on top of Osbourne's idiotic post-Brexit austerity threats the same morning.
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iGRF
Really should get out more Joined: 07 Mar 11 Location: Hythe Online Status: Offline Posts: 6496 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 9:57am |
I think the whole debate has shown how typically lacking in confidence we are as a nation, sometimes it doesn't do any harm to remember our language is used all over the world for communication in business, flight and navigation, we pretty much invented the modern industrial world, we invent stuff all the time, we are respected in many places for our reasonable approach to matters (with the exception of oil based agressive exploration). To suggest we cannot continue to trade with either Europe or the rest of the world is ridiculously stupid or that somehow, by leaving this 'club' we will be considerably worse off, it's just not true.
To simplify the debate it seems to me more a row between the haves and have nots, the haves worried they might lose something and the have nots almost carrying on a very British Revolution to punish the establishment and the ruling elite for their arrogance, which to my mind is overdue. Lying, cheating, fixing, lacking in honour and credibility the establishment deserve a shock, both here and in Europe, you cannot blame the leavers for reacting to the ludicrous claims the remainers have been coming out with. For sure there is an uncertain future, that's one thing you can be certain of, in or out there are real problems ahead, better in my mind that we don't kid ourselves there is anyone out there duty bound to help us, just as it's better not kidding ourselves being part of this single market in anyway stacks things in our favour, it doesn't, never has and never will, we remain an open trader whereas France, Germany, Holland all come with their local protectionist activities always have and I doubt they'll ever change so best to approach the matter knowing rather than in some cloud cuckoo land that we're dealing on a level playing field. Edited by iGRF - 16 Jun 16 at 10:00am |
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transient
Really should get out more Joined: 21 Aug 12 Online Status: Offline Posts: 715 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 12:34pm |
I'll start by saying I'm what used to be called a moderate and I try to stay away from ideology, I prefer reasonable solutions rather than right, left dogma. (by today's standards I look more like a raging pinko)
The west has slid further and further to the right and shows no signs of stopping. Europe hasn't been this right wing since the war and the UK since I don't know when. As for Trump across the pond.....well, what can I say except we have our own variety of idiot. For me the solution is Democracy with an informed and educated electorate. Since we have none of these ingredients I have to ask myself: Will our prospects for improving these things be better in or out of Europe........I'm still vacillating (must be the humidity) Edited by transient - 16 Jun 16 at 12:40pm |
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Presuming Ed
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 12:55pm |
Scariest phone call in history?
"President Trump, we have Prime Minister Johnson on the line for you". :-) |
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turnturtle
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:31pm |
Hardly ... Neither would actually have the gravitas to go war on foreign soil without a UN mandate a la Blair / Bush ... |
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transient
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:32pm |
Lol Funny on this forum but as a possibly reality aaargh |
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Rupert
Really should get out more Joined: 11 Aug 04 Location: Whitefriars sc Online Status: Offline Posts: 8956 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 1:54pm |
He'd only be phoning to arrange a wrestling match.
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Jack Sparrow
Really should get out more Joined: 08 Feb 05 Location: United Kingdom Online Status: Offline Posts: 2965 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 16 at 4:42pm |
6 richest country in the world. Ok I'll take that.
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