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Originally posted by JimC

Originally posted by Ardea

The RS200 (as mentioned earlier in the thread) does very similar things to a 2000


Oh gosh no, I disagree entirely. The RS200 is a pure racing craft for two fairly lightweight sailors, ideally both reasonable experience and competent.. In many ways it could be considered a National 12 equivalent. The 2000 is a bigger and heavier general purpose boat that will carry more weight and more people, and be muchmore tolerant of beginners, but isn't nearly so lively a craft as the 200.

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RS200 lively / National 12 equivalent?

I sailed the RS200 on the first test sail days with another N12 stalwart at the time. And I can say with authority that the RS200 it is not that lively and nowhere near equivalent to a N12. 

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Thanks for the extra comments especially the OP whose thread I have mini hijacked. (Sorry)
I've spotted an RS Vision up for sale. It looks like it might just take all of us on a not too lumpy day and it's got a trapeze (eldest will love this I expect) and provide a little room for growth.

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Just make sure the hull is OK. We've got a Vision as a training boat, and I believe there was a manufacturing fault with some boats, which meant the hull was to thin in places, the deck cracked and it started taking on water.
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Thanks Eisvogel will look out for that. Got a couple I've found locally so starting to get looking properly.
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Starting to get frustrated now as I have no boat to sail. So starting to think about other classes...

So story so far:

Laser 2000 - would be OK - can't find a suitable example without travelling to the other end of the country
Miracle - would need to be GRP - pretty rare
Graduate - would need to be recent GRP (e.g. Rooster) - extremely rare. Class is constrained by availability of boats which means always likely to be niche.

So what else is there -

Enterprise - people say they are tippy, but a two sail boat would be ideal for our pond - also light to haul around - any one have views?
GP14 - seem heavy and I wonder whether the larger genoa/spinnaker is all going to be too much.
RS200 - mentioned a few posts earlier - again a bit friskier than a 2000. Might be better with an ent?

Plastic Fantastics - Vision, Vago - generally not too keen, although used to sail a Vago single handed, not sure I'd really want to race one.

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Buy something you can sell easily. Something middle of the road and not too heavy with not too much sail and simple to maintain. Go Sailing....................Try it for a couple of months......No good? Get rid of it and try something else!

For your needs an Ent fits the bill well. Best pond racer there is. Simple, available and sellable! Get an all GRP one with tanks. Bags are hell;  fit a mast head float, go sailing have fun and learn what suits you.
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Originally posted by Riv

Get an all GRP one with tanks.

Be very careful. 70s vintage glass fibre enterprises are IME some of the very worst boats ever built. Sieves are positively watertight by comparison.
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I don't find Ents very tippy; as long as you remember to uncleat the jib before tacking. I prefer it to a GP14, as the cockpit is more spacious, and you don't have the added complexity of the spinnaker. It's also very easy to rig, and there are plenty of them around, so easy to find people to help you with setting up if necessary. I've only ever had Ents with bags -- they seem fine to me, as long as they're secured well enough and don't float off on their own after you go swimming.
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