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turnturtle
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Topic: Double Hander for Father / Son combo Posted: 04 Jul 17 at 2:05pm |
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Jack Sparrow
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 04 Jul 17 at 5:03pm | |
RS200 lively / National 12 equivalent?
I sailed the RS200 on the first test sail days with another N12 stalwart at the time. And I can say with authority that the RS200 it is not that lively and nowhere near equivalent to a N12. N12 hull shapes, sailed or owned - Wild Front Ear, Baggy Trousers, Crusader, Design 8, Final Chapter, Street Legal, Tigress, Feeling Foolish, Numinous, Big Issue. |
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Ripped50s
Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 17 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 17 at 7:46am | |
Thanks for the extra comments especially the OP whose thread I have mini hijacked. (Sorry)
I've spotted an RS Vision up for sale. It looks like it might just take all of us on a not too lumpy day and it's got a trapeze (eldest will love this I expect) and provide a little room for growth. Edited by Ripped50s - 05 Jul 17 at 7:58am |
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Eisvogel
Posting king Joined: 09 Dec 16 Location: Birmingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 17 at 9:40am | |
Just make sure the hull is OK. We've got a Vision as a training boat, and I believe there was a manufacturing fault with some boats, which meant the hull was to thin in places, the deck cracked and it started taking on water.
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Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon), Laser 121986
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Ripped50s
Newbie Joined: 03 Jul 17 Location: Hampshire Online Status: Offline Posts: 3 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 05 Jul 17 at 9:43pm | |
Thanks Eisvogel will look out for that. Got a couple I've found locally so starting to get looking properly.
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Doctor D
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 07 Jul 17 at 8:21pm | |
Starting to get frustrated now as I have no boat to sail. So starting to think about other classes... So story so far: Laser 2000 - would be OK - can't find a suitable example without travelling to the other end of the country Miracle - would need to be GRP - pretty rare Graduate - would need to be recent GRP (e.g. Rooster) - extremely rare. Class is constrained by availability of boats which means always likely to be niche. So what else is there - Enterprise - people say they are tippy, but a two sail boat would be ideal for our pond - also light to haul around - any one have views?
GP14 - seem heavy and I wonder whether the larger genoa/spinnaker is all going to be too much. RS200 - mentioned a few posts earlier - again a bit friskier than a 2000. Might be better with an ent? Plastic Fantastics - Vision, Vago - generally not too keen, although used to sail a Vago single handed, not sure I'd really want to race one. More thoughts...?? |
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Riv
Far too distracted from work Joined: 23 Nov 13 Location: South Devon Online Status: Offline Posts: 353 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 11:49am | |
Buy something you can sell easily. Something middle of the road and not too heavy with not too much sail and simple to maintain. Go Sailing....................Try it for a couple of months......No good? Get rid of it and try something else!
For your needs an Ent fits the bill well. Best pond racer there is. Simple, available and sellable! Get an all GRP one with tanks. Bags are hell; fit a mast head float, go sailing have fun and learn what suits you.
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JimC
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 09 Jul 17 at 11:58am | |
Be very careful. 70s vintage glass fibre enterprises are IME some of the very worst boats ever built. Sieves are positively watertight by comparison. |
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Eisvogel
Posting king Joined: 09 Dec 16 Location: Birmingham Online Status: Offline Posts: 135 |
Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 10 Jul 17 at 9:33am | |
I don't find Ents very tippy; as long as you remember to uncleat the jib before tacking. I prefer it to a GP14, as the cockpit is more spacious, and you don't have the added complexity of the spinnaker. It's also very easy to rig, and there are plenty of them around, so easy to find people to help you with setting up if necessary. I've only ever had Ents with bags -- they seem fine to me, as long as they're secured well enough and don't float off on their own after you go swimming.
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Enterprise 20361 (Eisvogel), Laser 102727 (Halcyon), Laser 121986
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Doctor D
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Post Options Quote Reply Posted: 16 Jun 18 at 12:29pm | |
So, I tried the Miracle and while it suited us, my son decided he wanted to spend time single handing! As I'd spent a lot on an FRP Miracle I decided it was too much boat to have sat there being used now and again. As a result I'm back to looking for a double hander although for slightly different reasons now. The use now will be more cruising, on holidays in the lakes, maybe do the odd event such as the Lord B or Bala Long Distance and occasionally a bit of Club racing. The ability to have a blast is key, rather the fleet racing, so something reasonably nippy Helm is 5' 11" and 78KG (down from over 90KG in Jan!!) so might drift up a bit... Crew could mostly be a 38KG 5' tall 9 year old , but sometimes another adult for an event. Aiming to spend less than £2500. Options seem to be: Laser 2K Laser Vago RS200 RS Vision Enterprise Albacore Anything else? Views? Thanks. (and for those who know me, I know I'm a boat tart!)
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