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    Posted: 28 Dec 15 at 2:58pm
Has everybody noticed how Israel has effectively been barred from competing by Malaysia unilaterally withholding visas and stating that no Israel flag, logo or national anthem can be played? I am no particular fan of Israel and are plenty of other countries whose behaviour I find offensive but I wouldn't expect them to be barred from an international event like this. And lets face it, Malaysia's record on human rights isnt exactly sqeaky clean. So should ISAF/World Sailing allow this event to carry their name and their approval? Or will they have the guts to make a stand?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark Jardine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 Dec 15 at 5:13pm
Hi Andy, we've been assured by Malcolm Page that ISAF are investigating this. They need to do more than brush this one under the carpet. Mark
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Mark Jardine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 11:43am
Richard Gladwell has written an excellent article on Sail-World.com about the situation - see http://www.sail-world.com/Youth-Worlds---Organisers-in-hot-seat-after-Israel-sailors-excluded/141176

Whatever your political views, this situation stinks.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 12:41pm
Where were the other sailors in all this? In our day there would have been a grass roots boycott, refusal to participate, nobody likes politics in sport it's outrageous our team hasn't withdrawn.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 4:39pm
Originally posted by iGRF

nobody likes politics in sport

Mmm maybe but it's inevitable.

I'll not argue the rights and wrongs of this particular case but surely there must come a time when a regimes behaviour is so bad that a boycott is completely the right thing to do.

I'm thinking back to the SA boycott.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 5:12pm
Using sport to back up political cowardice is never the answer, not in any circumstance, only the individual sportsmen and women should consciously decide who they compete with, not bloody governments.
The moment those RSX sailors found out the current champion was not going to be able to compete they should have refused to enter, not forced to go by their national squad manager presumably on pain of funding withdrawal or whatever coercive forces those a-holes use these days.

Paints a very black picture of ISAF & the RYA, someone needs to mention anti semitism.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 5:44pm
Ordinarily I would agree with you....but......at an international event the individual sportsperson is representing their country and you cannot separate a government from a it's flag.

anyway, reading the report it would appear that the Malaysian government agree with you to some extent.

Some of the conditions stipulated for Israeli Individuals to compete:
 

 1. The Israeli team had to compete on an anonymous basis. 
2. The team had to compete as an ISAF team and not representing Israel. 
3. They could only take indirect flights via Singapore to Langkawi (these were believed to have been booked, by the Israelis.) 
4. The Israeli team were not permitted to display any names, flags, logos, theme, colors that would indicate that they were representing Israel and had to portray themselves as representing the ISAF/World Sailing. 


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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 5:59pm
I read the main body of your post but only just noticed this.
 
Originally posted by iGRF


someone needs to mention anti semitism.



That's a game for silly buggers and you know it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote sargesail Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Dec 15 at 10:27pm
I think it's very hard to criticise youth sailors and even National Authorities who may not have known about this until very late.  Perhaps the sailors not until they were at the venue.

And once there?  Well some sort of action might be welcome.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote SUGmeister Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Dec 15 at 10:40am
Really, Really REALLY what idiot decided to give these games to Malaysia. Same goes for Oman based events.




Edited by SUGmeister - 30 Dec 15 at 10:44am
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