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I've never paid 400 for a towbar. In Swindon, Barry Heather have done all of mine over the years, they will come and fit it.
You will need a trailer board as well as a trailer. A combi is where the trolley slides onto a road base, rather than a separate trailer with pads of its own. If you need one, I have one for sale near Swindon, or if you just need one to collect a boat, then borrowing it would be fine.

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Typically a fully specified boat will have a road trailer and a launching trolley.

Road trailers are inconvenient in the dinghy park because they are heavy, not generally designed for towing by hand, and because immersion will likely damage the wheel bearing sooner or later.

Launching trolleys are much lighter, adapted for pulling round by hand, but cannot be used as road trailers - effectively they have wheelbarrow wheels which are not capable of running over about 5mph or for any great distance.

A combi trailer is a matched pair of road and launching trolleys where the road trailer has no superstructure to support the boat, instead the launching trolley is slid up onto the road trailer for road transport.

If you have a separate road trailer and launching trolley you have to find a way of transporting the launching trolley when you travel.

Naturally most road trailers spend their entire life getting overgrown in corners of dinghy parks or cluttering up garages...

95% of trailers around at the moment won't have lights, you need a separate lighting board, but very recent trailers will have built in lights. That's due to a law change and is by no means a good thing.

You will need a number plate to match your car/van, and they are a bit awkward to get now because of legislation changes, you need to supply some identification of you/the vehicle: forget the details. As usual with such legislation it has almost no effect on the bad guys, but greatly inconveniences the innocent...
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And so it goes on, the bllnd being lead by the near sighted..

buy a Laser it'll be alright, buy a Solo ffs

Look for something else both those boats are absolute rubbish.

Solution is a better Solution you occasionally get them around 2 - 2.5k or a Supernova.

What is the matter with you people?

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Originally posted by Rupert

I've never paid 400 for a towbar. In Swindon, Barry Heather have done all of mine over the years, they will come and fit it.
You will need a trailer board as well as a trailer. A combi is where the trolley slides onto a road base, rather than a separate trailer with pads of its own. If you need one, I have one for sale near Swindon, or if you just need one to collect a boat, then borrowing it would be fine.

Which club are you at?
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buy a Laser it'll be alright, buy a Solo ffs 

Look for something else both those boats are absolute rubbish.

Of course there are better boats around. The point is that they both have good fleets around, the Laser in particular (and there are also plenty of cheap 2nd hand ones around). For those for whom what they sail is more important than the competition (and who then spend too much of their lives worrying and complaining about their handicap) the Laser is almost certainly not the boat for them. For those who want to be able to pick up a boat easily and be sure of a fleet of the same boats to sail against and improve with it's an excellent choice.
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This infatuation with everyone sailing the same things is also fatally flawed as I've said time and again when you're new. Better to have something faster than everyone else, at least then you get to sail closer to the front with the sort of folk you can learn from.

Sail the same thing and you're destined for a long wait at the back of the fleet, sometimes forever, OK some folk don't mind that, but it can get very tedious and drive down your sailing self esteem. Needlessly.
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Originally posted by iGRF

This infatuation with everyone sailing the same things is also fatally flawed as I've said time and again when you're new. Better to have something faster than everyone else, at least then you get to sail closer to the front with the sort of folk you can learn from.

Sail the same thing and you're destined for a long wait at the back of the fleet, sometimes forever, OK some folk don't mind that, but it can get very tedious and drive down your sailing self esteem. Needlessly.

Or sail in a sufficiently numerous one design fleet that there are sailors of all capabilities at different levels, and where the front of the fleet can encourage the back of the fleet with advice and coaching.  

Plus the added bonus of a good social scene unified by a common interest, and decent residual values by owning a boat that others want to sail.

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This infatuation with everyone sailing the same things is also fatally flawed as I've said time and again when you're new. Better to have something faster than everyone else, at least then you get to sail closer to the front with the sort of folk you can learn from. 

This is rubbish. Whether the best guys are near the front of a handicap fleet will depend on what they are sailing. And you will learn far more from someone sailing the same or similar boat to you as you will if it's a different design.

Sail the same thing and you're destined for a long wait at the back of the fleet, sometimes forever, OK some folk don't mind that, but it can get very tedious and drive down your sailing self esteem. Needlessly. 

That hasn't happened where I've sailed. Experienced sailors in the same class generally want to help beginners improve - and they are far more likely to socialise with you after racing and offer advice if you are sailing the same boat than if you're not. If you pick a fast class and sail in a handicap fleet, yes you may be able to be in front of them at the end of the race, but the better guys in the slower classes will go on beating you on handicap and you will never learn much from them. It's fine if being in front is all that matters to you, but that's a pretty shallow aim to have compared to wanting to be a better racer, and be able to beat better sailors on an even footing, not just being in front because your're in a faster class.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Nov 15 at 11:22am
We'll beg to differ, it's not rubbish it's a different opinion, you keep on slogging at the back if you will, the greatest improvement I ever made was following a class act Europe sailor up the beat in my EPS, I'd have been nowhere near her other than for ten seconds after the start if I'd been in a Europe.
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From personal experience I must agree with peterg. Starting in a faster boat means the boat speed masks deficiencies in a person's skill expressly in mid to light winds. I learned to sail in a faster boat and beat the most of the slow boats, week in week out. When I changed to a slow boat, these same people beat me week in week out. Took me two years of hard work to be competitive again. There are no short cuts in sailing or any sport for that matter.




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