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Well here's a thing, if I came on and said there's a guy in Southampton giving away free <insert boat of your choice> if you answered a couple of simple questions that I then went on to detail, would that anedotal account be any more meaningful in improving you circumstance?

For some of us, anecdotal advice from folk who's opinion we respect is more valuable than that from nhs hirelings, as it was from my interwebchum Max the windsurfer... It's just opinion, detailed in a helpful post on a bulletin board, act on it, or act on it not, most readers here are bright enough to make their own decision without some representative from the Association of Narcissistic Authoritarian Logic Trolls helping them out with the decision making process.

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I'd define science as the history and future of human discovery.  There are many ways to achieve that, and when we look back at humanity over the hundreds of thousands of years it has been able to record itself, or we take whatever glimpse we can into the future before it unfolds; labs, double blind trials and university research centres make up on a very small minutiae of contribution to the scientific cannon.

I have also not said I don't see a value in clinical trials, I just question their merit to be the one and only authority on any given subject as you seem to suggest.  And as Roger points out, they all seem to come with their individual detractors from within their own academic / research peer group; so please, as a layman, forget trying to give them too much credibility when their own kind think most of these studies have questionable techniques, methods and outcomes.  Give me a real world opinion, free from political bias or commercial agenda, any day over that.    Give me two or three opinions roughly in the same direction, like we have here, and frankly, things like Bowen begin to hold water.  


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So how do you decide which people to believe and which not?

A significant number of people believe:
That homeopathy is real and effective
That praying to Mother Teresa can cure terminal cancer
That ibuprofen is an effective anti-inflammatory and painkiller

How do you eliminate the first two?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Peaky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 15 at 7:09am
Does it matter? Perception is reality and all that.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Moo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 15 at 8:36am
Well Golden Graeme has convinced us all beyond reasonable doubt that the RYA is underhandly manipulating the Dinghy market for its own dubious ends so he must be right about Bowen ......oh wait a minute.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 15 at 9:10am
Golden Graeme... why no one has called me that since the year I was turned down for Sports Personality of the year 1981 because of my outspokenviews on pikeys.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote turnturtle Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 Dec 15 at 1:34pm
... and there was me thinking it was the views on homosexuals, not the travelling community.  whatever next, rationale debate from BustinBalls back there?
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Without sounding too self important, im an ex Laser Squadie and qualified Strength and conditioning coach, so this is an area I feel I can help with.

Back pain resulting from hiking will be due to tight or tonic hip flexor muscle-chiefly the Psoa.

In terms of structural integrity of the hip and causing muscular imbalances, hiking is one of the worst activities for creating over developed /overactive muscles on one side of the joint which will lead to injury or pain. But this doesn't mean you need to stop.

Your back pain isn't caused by a problem with your lower back muscles (Spinal erectors). It is likely caused by tight and overactive hip flexors pulling on the lower back.

To make matters worse after we sail we often then sit in a car on the way home. So the Psoas muscle has been activated and gets short while sailing, then it is set in a a shorted state afterwards.

REMEDY: You need to lengthen and stretch the Psoas which is on the front of the hip (anterior), and also strength the muscles on the posterior hip.

BOWEN: Is a bit hit and miss. However there are other techniques you can do on your self. SMFR Self -Myofascial release will work. Follow the techniques in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4nWPeyDfNM In addition do a hip stretch straight after sailing prior to driving home without exception.

Your shortened hip flexor may also be causing a Lumbar pelvic tilt. This will shorten the low back muscles and may casue pain and inhibit mobility. To cure this you need to
-Stretch the low back
-Stretch the Psoas
-Strengthen the Glutes, hamstrings and abdominal muscles. (Ideally in the gym- Deadlifts, lunges, squats etc)

Another reason for pain may be weak abdominal muslces when hiking. If they are weak then you will bow forward and hang off th hip flexors. You often see this when you compare the hiking posture of a poor sailor to a professional.

So you need to strengthen the abdominal muscles while ensuring you are not shortening the Psoas muscle further. You do this by Doing exercises which involve maximilly tyhe abbs. Eg Planks, sit ups and crunches, V sits. Google' Anti extension core exercises'. After each set of abb exercises you must then do a hip flexor stretch, to ensure the hip is being lengthened.

I have used this method with many athletes I have coached. Im sure it will help.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 16 at 3:06pm
Why thank you George, er just a wild guess on my part, but have you reached your fortieth birthday yet?

It's just that when you do, some 28 years later things won't work quite as well, so all those nasty exercise things you talk of.. er no thanks, got that t Shirt a long time ago now. Sailing is supposed to be a gentile sport for us old boys to quietly retire in boats called dignity.. and dignity does not involve all that nasty hikey nonesense, but thanks for your advice for our younger readers just the same I'm sure they cant wait to try it.. meanwhile I'll stick to my periodic Bowen where I can fantasize about matron giving me a happy ending

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Post Options Post Options   Quote JimC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jan 16 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by iGRF

and dignity does not involve all that nasty hikey nonesense


Perhaps all sailing gear should have a black band say two thirds of the way from knee to cheek, and hiking out with the black band unsupported by structure prohibited...
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