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Indeed it is more fun to whine bitch and moan, point out the f**kedupedness of it all and wind them up with the term bandit.. (You have to remember this is still all relatively new to me and y'all do take your handicaps very seriously, which presents a target rich environment for ironic exchange from a cynical old windsurfer.. ).

You have forgotten option 4.

Make a boat that will cope with it all, lake, sea, not capsize, go fast with a small rig and not make me ache like a demon the next day from all that kneeling down.

So with all that in mind I shall shortly become an official wood botherer I think I have just about finalised a plan and how to execute it with my crude woodworking skills.

Get ready for the V3..
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just for GRF's benefit

1st miracle
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the gap between 1st and 2nd was 2 seconds on corrected and between 1st and 3rd was 7 seconds on corrected
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Dec 14 at 6:05pm
Not such a Miracle fest after all - maybe the eps is the only one with a problem?
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Clearly the Buzz is a bandit as well.
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The Buzz must be being sailed by some seriously talented sailors to get that high up the fleet on a tiny puddle - either that or the course contained some perfect reaches for kite flying.
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No, they're half decent jocks the pair of them, doesn't matter what they sail they'll be at the front getting in the way and disturbing the karma of the righteous.

There are a lot of good sailors down the lake, that's why I like it, it's really tight racing, I learn loads down there, but the day will yet dawn.....

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I think GRFs problem is that he has stumbled upon a hotbed of fast miracle sailors (top end of the nationals fleet) The standard of sailing in the top 10 of the miracle nationals is really very good, and would stand competition with any of the more mainstream classes top helms.

Neal-g - why don't you make a fast boat for Nick Craig?


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We have had the discussion on Miracles a few times. The top of the fleet is indeed very competitive and contains many good sailors but the average miracle sailor is clearly not in the same league as the guys at the top of the nationals fleet.
Interestingly our resident Miracle sailors have always performed well and it doesn't get much more tidal than our club, so I'm pretty happy that they behave well in tide and waves. Indeed our top Miracle was often holding the 200s around the course, but having now got a 200 themselves are now in the pack!
In the past Miracles were slower upwind than either Fireflies or Graduates but recovered their losses with the kite up. With the move to in-board sheeting on the jib, they are as quick as a Firefly upwind and yet their handicap has gone the other way.
It's obvious what's happening and makes you think back to the topic about where in the data PYs should come from. In my opinion it's a good argument for using something approaching the faster end of the distribution.
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Originally posted by iGRF

y'all do take your handicaps very seriously 

This from the guy who cancelled an order on a boat when he found out that a predicted handicap wasnt favourable........
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Post Options Post Options   Quote iGRF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 14 at 2:43pm
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Originally posted by iGRF

y'all do take your handicaps very seriously 

This from the guy who cancelled an order on a boat when he found out that a predicted handicap wasnt favourable........


Exactly.

So seriously are they taken, we (consumers) now base our purchasing decisions firmly on that, why not? Why dump a perfectly acceptable boat that I enjoy sailing for another one that although I might equally enjoy sailing, it is going to put me at even more of a disadvantage and lighten my wallet by five grand for the privilege ? Nice it might be but it's not five grand nicer, given it lost one of its USP's and I'm not even following the same trend that lead to lots of Phantoms being purchased, 1040-50 wasn't that much of a benefit given it has a smaller sail and is shorter than my current ride and with less righting moment.
By the time it settles and my guess is it'll be 1030-1035 come March, there will be new motorways built and another winter will have flown and it is all Simon Loveseys fault I have decided, he is my new hate figure, denying me a new boat the b**tard.
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