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    Posted: 28 Nov 14 at 12:47pm
Originally posted by PeterG

  So you have to do it for fun to start with if you are an early adopter - which is surely what we all do it for anyway  Wink

precisely - a 'qualifying period' - in fact, make that qualifying period the number of returns the RYA receive for any given class.  No point wasting the PYAG time for a boat which is essential a custom built jobby for one or a very few individual sailors.
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Except that an estimated PY (and I'm content we could get within 3% points in most cases) would at least give you something to race for in those early races.  Six Sundays is a long time to just be sailing around some can.

To keep the conspiracy theory people happy, we could knock 3% off initially so that the error will be to their benefit.  I'd rather race my Oppie on 1610 than 1000 or no EN at all.
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Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

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SailRacer runs the PYS Online system for the RYA and I personally sit on PYaG

We also run the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series

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Glad to hear it Simon.

So can you please help me understand why both the 10.2 and 8.4 rigs have been given a PN of 988 for the SailJuice series when the RYA official numbers issued last March were 988 and 1000 respectively.

FWIW I'd be pretty sure the volume of data used to get to 1000 for the 8.4 would be substantially greater than the 988 for the 10.2 too, as most now use the former most of the time.

I was not unhappy to use my big rig at the Draycote Drift, but if the forecast is for a breeze for another event, I'll feel a bit put upon I reckon.

Do you want us as a class to turn up or not?

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Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

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SailRacer runs the PYS Online system for the RYA and I personally sit on PYaG

We also run the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series

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Glad to hear it Simon.

So can you please help me understand why both the 10.2 and 8.4 rigs have been given a PN of 988 for the SailJuice series when the RYA official numbers issued last March were 988 and 1000 respectively.

FWIW I'd be pretty sure the volume of data used to get to 1000 for the 8.4 would be substantially greater than the 988 for the 10.2 too, as most now use the former most of the time.

I was not unhappy to use my big rig at the Draycote Drift, but if the forecast is for a breeze for another event, I'll feel a bit put upon I reckon.

Do you want us as a class to turn up or not?

Clive

Again SailRacer does not set the handicaps,  for the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series this is done by the Great Lakes Group,  article here on their methodology :

These are not RYA numbers 
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Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

Originally posted by fab100

Originally posted by Simon Lovesey

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SailRacer runs the PYS Online system for the RYA and I personally sit on PYaG

We also run the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series

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Glad to hear it Simon.

So can you please help me understand why both the 10.2 and 8.4 rigs have been given a PN of 988 for the SailJuice series when the RYA official numbers issued last March were 988 and 1000 respectively.

FWIW I'd be pretty sure the volume of data used to get to 1000 for the 8.4 would be substantially greater than the 988 for the 10.2 too, as most now use the former most of the time.

I was not unhappy to use my big rig at the Draycote Drift, but if the forecast is for a breeze for another event, I'll feel a bit put upon I reckon.

Do you want us as a class to turn up or not?

Clive

Again SailRacer does not set the handicaps,  for the GJW Direct SailJuice Winter Series this is done by the Great Lakes Group,  article here on their methodology :

These are not RYA numbers 

And yes we do want you all to turn up 
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To speak up for the Great Lakes people, they seem to have taken onboard my comments about the unsuitability of using the class-recommended V3k handicap for the Laser 3000.  3ks of any hue can now attend SailJuice with a fair chance.
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Thats a bit harsh Clive.  Whilst I agree with you I thought that it was just one class again now the 100's?  It was good to see a couple of you out at Draycote as previous years you all had hibernated over the winter.  But that could be why the handicap is fixed to one number.  Its also worth noting that if the 100 has two numbers then surely it is 2 classes and as such if you entered the one regatta with a 10.2 and one with a 8.4 thats two seperate enteries and would not count for the overall prize.
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Originally posted by Medway Maniac

To speak up for the Great Lakes people, they seem to have taken onboard my comments about the unsuitability of using the class-recommended V3k handicap for the Laser 3000.  3ks of any hue can now attend SailJuice with a fair chance.
 
Did they not allow the V3k to use the L3k number in the past.  I remember D&D nearly winning the bloody mary off a frankly mental PY
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Originally posted by Null

Originally posted by Medway Maniac

To speak up for the Great Lakes people, they seem to have taken onboard my comments about the unsuitability of using the class-recommended V3k handicap for the Laser 3000.  3ks of any hue can now attend SailJuice with a fair chance.
 
Did they not allow the V3k to use the L3k number in the past.  I remember D&D nearly winning the bloody mary off a frankly mental PY

Yes, D&D used, or rather were given, like it or not, the L3k PY, but then subsequently all 3ks were given the class-recommended number for the V3k, which was an impossible target for the average L3k sailor )tho' I guess Ben A. might have made things happen in an L3k if he slimmed down!)  Sublime to ridiculous, or vice versa....

But it's all sorted now.
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