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I actually don't think of a Streaker as a Bandit, Streakers have been sailing that lake ever since the days I first went there to learn about wind shifts on my Original Windsurfer back in the late seventies. In fact 'they' rate the Streaker at 1174 because of that even bigger Bandit the Miracle in the hands of Pancho Villa and his brother.

What is wrong is the boat I use being a bit of an Anti-Bandit so to speak, yet as indicated earlier it can be sailed to its handicap on the sea, I just wanted to read about other conditions in which other boats do well, well not even well, just what the handicap says they should do.
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Fair enough - Yes, I think the Firefly sails to its handicap on the lake. The Lightning not quite there - actually, that probably means it is about right. Minisail doesn't have a real handicap, so no clue there, really.

Of the boats I race against, the Phantom still sails to handicap a lot of the time, despite it being hammered - it just doesn't have to turn out to win any more. Our eps's did OK on the previous handicap - the current one is a gift in the majority of UK inland conditions - force 1-3. Solos do well, too. Mind, the above classes are sailed by people who know how to race, which always helps.
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So how long would you guess the average leg is at your lake?
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2-300 yards, maybe? Can be as much as 1/2 a mile, I think. I confess I've never really thought of it in those terms. 
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Well it's what makes all the difference to the handicap system which is after all a time based device, so faster boats that cover more ground are restricted if there isn't enough time to cover that ground.

I have a theory, but in order to apply it would take a lot of data and course sizes.

Sea courses and Big Lake courses have longer legs, small lakes have what I call 'two minute' legs and more transitions.
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Quite right - a boat which is good on corners will always be a better bet on a puddle with lots of marks. That is all part of a boat being "right" for a location. The EPS is pretty low rocker and has that loo seat on board, so turning corners fast isn't what it is best at. Straight line speed in planing conditions and it is over the horizon (only figuratively at our club, of course - in reality it is coming up behind you ready to lap you...).
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Surely Redoubt is pretty atypical for small ponds, in that it is very near the coast, with no big stands of trees around it.


One of these days Grumph, you will acquire one of these boats that you deem a bandit and prove your point by winning a series.  Or maybe not; I seem to recall you had a Laser 3000 at one time...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Oct 14 at 8:26am
Looks like a lovely place to sail. How big is it? The photos make it look large enough to stretch the legs of a small performance boat like the EPS, but they can be deceptive!
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I don't actually want to win a series using a bandit, pretty much anyone can do that, as has been amply demonstrated to me.

I'd be content to sail my own boat to its handicap in a range of conditions.

Which was why I was attracted to the Zero, it was a boat I felt I'd be capable of achieving that goal, until 'they' shifted the posts.

Redoubt has tree's and wind patterns attributed to them, not as many as some small waters, but they are there and if you use it to its extremities which you surely must to ensure legs long enough to get a decent course, then inevitably marks get set in wind shadows. They also have the added challenge of the odd submerged wreck, or underwater obstruction to graunch your plate on, one comfort I do have is the sure knowledge that by now I would have split the daggerboard case on my brand new Zero, as I've managed to do on the EPS, hitting the wreck.

I sailed a laser 3000 with my daughter until she got crashed into, ironically by the very chap who won the series in a Streaker recently, she never sailed again.

So my requirement remains a boat with an average handicap and preferably a kick back plate which is why I'm hoping for a demo in a Solution shortly to see what they are like, somebody has been kind enough to contact me from their class.

However I still want to understand the maths of this current PY system by doing as much reverse engineering as my addled brain can achieve in search of a formulaic solution.

Edit to rupert 44 acres and the best I've achieved is a 2nd at 1024 and I've won at the new handicap they set to 1060, but it felt like I'd cheated, but then all the other handicaps were uplifted as well so I don't really know what's going on. They sail the Laser off 1100 and the Streaker is now 1174 in some compromise to deal with the Miracle, which seems strange to me, since it is the offender, they should drop it rather than raise everyone else's, it's either supreme Miracle arrogance in that they deem everyone else as not as good sailors as them (there is an element of truth to this) or the computer spits it out, I have never stayed long enough to note the results, the bread knife delights in reading them out to me from the paper to howls of laughter from the daughters of darkness the following week, or my ex windsurfing mates delight in my achievements being thrashed by the 't**sers down the lake'.

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Sounds like you need a boat in the similar sped range to the others out there. Solution might be there (just at the top end, which may give you clear air while still having an idea of how you are doing in real life, not just on the spreadsheet. The other boat with a centreboard which would fit in (though I don't think you'd beat a Streaker off 1174) would be the Lightning 368. Centreboard, lifting rudder, tracked sail.

However, if the adulation of your peers (or atleast avoidance of mockery by your family and "friends" is required, then I'm afraid I have no idea what he answer is, except to sail the eps off 1060 (after all, they will never know) and get some decent spreadsheet resuts. Or get the powers that be to stop sending the results to the newspaper. Do other clubs do that?
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