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Interesting point here and something sailing has to learn from other sports. Having been learning to row since September I'm now integrated into the club squad, training 6 times a week with the senior squad ready for the summer racing season. 

Compare that with someone learning to race a dinghy, they might be pottering in a stratobarge, might sails once a week tops, will do nothing to improve their sailing specific fitness and their club is unlikely to have a coach let alone one correcting their errors at every session.
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Originally posted by DaveT

Interesting point here and something sailing has to learn from other sports. Having been learning to row since September I'm now integrated into the club squad, training 6 times a week with the senior squad ready for the summer racing season. 

Compare that with someone learning to race a dinghy, they might be pottering in a stratobarge, might sails once a week tops, will do nothing to improve their sailing specific fitness and their club is unlikely to have a coach let alone one correcting their errors at every session.


easy on the broad brush stokes there fella, I'm sure it's not the majority of clubs but a very significant minority have coaches and others involved happy to pass on tips, not just about the sailing but also the fitness aspects of our sports, IMO
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DaveT Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Feb 14 at 10:24pm
I'll agree that many have a coach who is a member, very very few have a coach actively coaching newcomers to the sport in a structured way with a clear outcome in mind. 
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We do have a number of open sessions in the spring and summer for skills improvement.  In the autumn we run an 8 week race coaching programme, freely available to all.  Alongside this we do a fair bit for the youth.  The club is thriving.
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Originally posted by DaveT

Interesting point here and something sailing has to learn from other sports. Having been learning to row since September I'm now integrated into the club squad, training 6 times a week with the senior squad ready for the summer racing season. 

Compare that with someone learning to race a dinghy, they might be pottering in a stratobarge, might sails once a week tops, will do nothing to improve their sailing specific fitness and their club is unlikely to have a coach let alone one correcting their errors at every session.

Big differences. Rowing is a training sport - I used to reckon we spent a combined total of a couple of hours or so racing per year as oarsmen. Not per day. Bit different to a competing sport like sailing. With rowing, training is the sport - racing is the cherry on top. With dinghy racing, training is secondary to competing. As a training sport, fitness has far more impact on boatspeed. Which is another problem: rowing RULES YOUR LIFE,  in a way that sailing doesn't. Which is great if you're prepared to put in the committment, but it's a bit all or nothing. Rowing is also pretty other-half unfriendly, and when you give up, unlike sailing, it's very difficult to come back to because of the fitness aspect. Yes, there are vets, but I would think there are far fewer rowing vets than people of a certain age sailing soslows. 

As such, training for rowing is far more important, which brings me on to point 2: 
You're rowing for a club, & it's in the clubs interests to organise training as efficiently as possible. Also, boats (apart from singles & the occasional double) are owned by the club, and so crews have to earn their place in boats. 

Also, with larger boats like eights and fours, you need a coach because it's far harder to know from inside the boat what's going wrong. You can come in and say "that was a carp outing", but without eyes from outside saying "timings were all over the place. hands, body, slide, people!!", progress will be much slower. In a dinghy, it's far easier to say "that's a carp tack. better coordination needed" (*)

(* not to say a coach can't help). 

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I don't quite know how we've gotten to the point of comparing sailing and rowing fitness when in reality what has happened here is neither.

This is about sailing style, stance and technique, which stands in this instance in the stead of physical ability, this is an obviously highly skilled young woman, adopting an attitude that perfectly matches the boat and extracts every ounce of energy into making it go as fast as it is possible to go, I didn't notice any kinetic action whatsoever.

Kinetic activity was what my old sport was all about, and we used to be as fit, in fact fitter than rowers, I used to train with them back in the day. Try air rowing for 4 hours around Hayling Island against the tide in next to nothing, our speed off the line was down to who could keep up an intensive sprint pump the longest to get clean air, so this kind of activity I'm well versed with and it has nothing whatsoever to do with what that lady has.

Like Rowing, top competitive windsurfing did rule your life, I managed 3 years and quit at 32 thinking I was probably too old which was the thinking back then. The attraction to me of sailing was precisely because it didn't appear to be a kinetic sport, how wrong I was, yet here is a woman demonstrating that it doesn't have to be and that there is still some 'magic' to learn, that isn't about being in the gym three days a week and running on the alternate days.
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Originally posted by iGRF

So, I wonder if there is anyone at the top level, that didn't start straight out of the womb..
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Some mates in the 4000 class got to 'top of the fleet' standard having taken up the sport on a mark warner holiday (or similar) sometime in there early 30's. Hardly top top level, but I'd imagine it'd be pretty hard to break into the olympic (or similar top classes) if you're not doing well at it at 15.

But probably the same for more other sports, unless you're someone like Rebecca Romero or Lizzy Yarnold
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'He now flies a foiling Moth rather impressively ignoring his slightly advanced age. 

Some people just have it while others should perhaps take up (carpet) bowls.'



Colin 'the legend' Newman has just sold the moth. His personal fleet now comprised of an old rules canoe, a new rules canoe and a Europe.

He is an inspiration to everyone, even at 70 he still goes out in a new rules IC and whoops everyone.


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And he had a solution for a while. Nice boat, but even he could not sail it to its handicap.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote yellowwelly Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 14 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by JP233

He is an inspiration to everyone, even at 70 he still goes out in a new rules IC and whoops everyone.

yep- results here... still top of the leaderboard:

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