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Post Options Post Options   Quote bicrider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 Jan 14 at 3:27pm
thank Bruce think i will hang on and find an 18 as i did enjoy sailing on it b4 just have to keep and eye out and wait till spring see if more boat will appear 
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Originally posted by bicrider

hi asok
thanks for the info will have a look at netley sc.

No nasty beach for us at rye we go a concret slip in to a nice flat river.

I am taking it you dislike the 16 not the 18.

any real reason why u dont like the 16?

I was taking to a topper sales man at ali pli show last year about the dart 16 he said they flex alot (but he was trying to sell me a topaz(way out of my price range)

 

 

 


Yes, I did mean to say that I dislike the Dart 16! oops!

It may be that I've only ever sailed 16's that have been abused by holiday makers, but it felt very heavy and sluggish to me compared to the Dart 18.

I recall that you said you were above 100kg? I think that you'd be better suited to a Dart18 and will find it a rewarding boat to sail. Its good fun single handed and at 100kg there won't be much weather you couldn't go out in.

Your launching sounds very civilised, so I wouldn't be too put off by the fibreglass construction of the Dart 18. Sounds like you wouldn't be planning on beaching it.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote bicrider Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Jan 14 at 10:37am
yeah 110 to 120kg after xmas closer to one 120 now!!

yes it is a good place to launch and my old man as been messing about in boats for years and is a dab-hand with fibre-glass

i have got the itch big time to get one asap now:)
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With your weight, unless you have a really lightweight crew, you will find the waves catching the rear beam on the Dart 18 and stopping you. So you then have a stop/go motion which is disconcerting.

I did virtually all my sailing in the Dart 16 singlehanded so dont know if the same thing would happen to it. I would weigh about 100kg.

I enjoyed both boats. I would have sailed the Dart 18 with mainsail only, and the Dart 16 with the jib as well in all conditions up to and including Force 6.
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Hi wiclif
I feel that most of my sailing will be single handed i dont have a crew that will commit i have 3 crew who are willing but not committing to and all have sailing experience if one does want to do it more regularly  after getting some cat experience look at a hurricane 5.9 in a couple 3 years thats the long term plan!
had a test ride on a hurricane on portland harbour mid 90's loved it could not convince dad to buy one then we ended up with a 470 i think
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ASok Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Jan 14 at 3:22pm
Originally posted by Wiclif

With your weight, unless you have a really lightweight crew, you will find the waves catching the rear beam on the Dart 18 and stopping you. So you then have a stop/go motion which is disconcerting.



Not quite sure I understand this? Short chop can get between the hulls and stall the cross beams on any cat, depends on the conditions.

The Dart 18 is best sailed with an even fore and aft trim. When I first got the boat I tended to sit right at the back, but this was completely wrong! Took me a few sails to learn the trim of the boat and understand how it was supposed to feel.

The Dart 18 class association training weekend is a must. Regardless of whether you'll race or not, its a really good way of understanding how to get the best out of it.
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Both are good boats. We used to have a big Dart18 fleet at our club but as a singlehander they never really seemed to work out. Recovering a capsized 18 is hard enough for two people let along one even if you are 100kg.

The Dart16 is not bad and I think gets unfairly criticised. One of our members who moved onto a Shadow then F18s started racing in a Dart16 singlehanded and did pretty well. They work especially well in stronger breezes and can easily be sailed in a blow even singlehanded with all three sails. All the control are nice and simple and you dont have the agro of the horrific rudders on the 18.
At the end of the day though best to pick a boat that already exists where you intend to sail as you'll get more enjoyment talking to your competitors.
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Hi Craiggo
                Our club does not really have a cat section there are a couple of hobie 16 (never race just sail for fun) a very old condor,and early 1980 hobie 18 and a hobie tiger again none of these enter the club races.So i dont feel the need to buy hobie 16 cos we have a fleet of them and they alway look like they are sailing on the edge when the breeze picks up.
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