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have to disagree a bit there, as i regually take a 50fter out with just 2 of us. in and out of marinas, its all just planning and learning the boat
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to an extent it depends on the marina.... in the med (or certainly the Spanish coastline were we are) they are often nose, or stern on without any side decking.  This means jumping from the pulpit or stepping off the transom- a bigger boat is obviously higher up, meaning a bigger jump, and of course with more weight in motion, you are solely reliant on the engine for reverse braking, rather than a bit of physical handling from the dockside to dead stop the thing on tick over.  

Larger motor cruisers and motorboats obviously are designed better to work under the engine, less reverse skew and bow thrusters can make it a lot easier.


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agreed - marinas are not really a problem for a bigger boat, but if I'm intending to sail off for a couple of years I'm only going to be hitting marinas very infrequently (gin stocking largely).  Whats the point of sailing from marina to marina.  Based on watching a lot of other cruising couples I stand by my observation that there is a lot less shouting and drama on boats of 35' and under (with some notable exceptions - typically traditional boats that have been designed for short-handed cruising).  As you get towards 40' everything gets bigger, more expensive and more complicated.  . . . and most critically I can probably afford to cruise for twice as long on a 34' than a 50'.




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Originally posted by marke

...I stand by my observation that there is a lot less shouting and drama on boats of 35' and under ....

Maybe shouty people can just afford bigger boats?
 
TBH in my limited experience, a yacht is a yacht. Anything big enough to carry a fortnight's food for two is not really intended for manual handling. You have to use the engine and controls, it's just a slight difference of scale.
The difference between a decent yacht with a good engine and a spade rudder and a long keeler that does its own thing in reverse is far greater.
 
Of the people I have known go off on long cruises more than once, I've not seen any of them downsize their boat.
 
OTOH, read the book 'Shrimpy' about the bloke who circumnavigated in something under 20ft long IIRC.
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Chaps you're missing the 'single handed' bit, I'm in fantasising about chucking everything up and buggering off for a bit mode, I don't want to buy some huge depreciation exercise, want something that is controllable will take a big sea and storm if I get caught out (will bounce back up when slammed), has all the lazy arse mod cons, but doesn't cost the earth and maybe not lose too much if I flogged it on my return (If I come back at all).

I'd want to solar panel and wind machine equip it, would probably want f**k off big water and diesel tanks and some where to hide an AK47. Accommodation to cope with Wife and daughter occasional visits and that about sums it up, I'm a bit particular so don't want to totally slum it, would love a cruising cat, allways reckoned they were the dogs doo dahs, but.. would be worried about going over in a hoolie and they are ef off expensive, nice to charter with a bunch of lads, but not good for a long term jolly and expensive in marinas I seem to recall. I'm not really a marina type, I'd normally stand off, once water and provisioned or someone asks for money.

There are some nice examples back early on in the thread, some I'd never heard of, so my question was given y'all are a knowledgable lot what would you do, if you were able to(not entirely sure I'll get away with it just yet).

My experience is fairly limited, I did a couple of week bare boat Greek Island cruise in something called a Westerly Centaur once back in the seventies and a blue water Caribbean jolly in some bloody great under canvassed 40 odd foot deal that even the whales shied away from, was one of the Moorings fleet out of St Maarten. I found the sensation fairly boring tbh, but then I'm now old enough not to worry so much, however I would like to have some lively feel in the seat of my pants if you catch my drift..

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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Contessa 32...
 
Trouble with them is most of them are now very old, with old unreliable kit.
Last time I raced against one, after enduring the father of the owner saying how seaworthy they were, their jib cars broke before they left the solent.
The good ones will have had everything replaced, but they seem to cost a lot for what they are.
Probably becasue they have one-design racing.
 
One of those mini transat jobs would suit GRF....
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yes, +1 on all that.  But they do float higher in the sea and you can leebow the tide in one.
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Graeme- worth a trip up north to the Medway?

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Originally posted by yellowwelly

Contessa 32...

Freeboard's very low. Too wet for comfort, IMHO. 

If all you're going to do is summer in the Med/tradwinds across the pond, then pretty much any AWB will be fine. If you want to go Newfoundland/Greenland etc, then something a bit rufty-tuftier needed - Ovni/Boreal etc. 

Wind vane ss (which can use a tiller pilot for servo pendulum assisted ss) AIUI has big benefits on power draw. 
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