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Maybe it's because the UK is cold, weather is crap and we have replaced leisure pursuits with shopping centres, MSN messenger and playstation?

Oh well, at least the changing rooms and club car parks are less busy these days.  
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We have 41 children booked in to do Junior Group at Whitefriars tomorrow, ranging in age from 8 to 16. Some of the older ones have been coming along for 8 years (or more, if they tagged along with older siblings), thinking about it. I suspect the car park and changing rooms will be very busy indeed. Our cut-off is 40, but one crept in un-noticed!
And the juniors are a mix of 2nd generation to be at Juniors, kids of people who learned elsewhere and newcomers. Not sure sailing is really about to expire as a pass time - I guess we just have to accept that people have greater choice these days about how to spend their time.
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Originally posted by transient



..bit confused on his views on jib sag though, the ability to move the centre of draft seems seems handy to me


I was using my own crap jib for ironical effect.. Under no circumstances should you allow that lead wire up the front to sag, it is the cutting edge 'entry of the boat and your passage upwind, it should be as tight as yellow wellys wallet is shut at an FOM, the other stuff you may or may not want the jib to do, I know for a fact, should be controlled in other ways, (maybe even that jib cunnigham thing) my jib has a three point take off on a clew batten, top one for tight leech bottom one for loose leech, draft position I would have thought other than outhaul and sheeting is pretty much cut into the sail shape, even full batten jibs don't have adjustable or tapered battens to my knowledge.

Then again there are great big holes in my 'knowledge' barber hauler shaped holes for starters, I've really no idea what they do other than haul an errant hairdresser into the road for a kicking after a particularly bad hair cut, something very unlikely to ever occur to me again.


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Originally posted by iGRF

draft position I would have thought other than outhaul and sheeting is pretty much cut into the sail shape, even full batten jibs don't have adjustable or tapered battens to my knowledge.

Well we (sort of) got you there in the end, after how many pages? Tightening or easing the cloth (over the wire) with a jib cunningham indeed moves the draft point in the jib forwards and backwards and surprise, that is what it is for.
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I had a 505 jib where the wire had stretched or sail had shrunk which made the entry very flat, impossible to read and the boat would not point at all.
Eased the tension bit of string and hay presto pointing off the line was possible.
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Originally posted by gordon1277

I had a 505 jib where the wire had stretched or sail had shrunk which made the entry very flat, impossible to read and the boat would not point at all.
Eased the tension bit of string and hay presto pointing off the line was possible.
 
It's the first thing after pulling up a new RS200 jib - untie the tack, and reset...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote RS400atC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 4:48pm
Originally posted by hum3

Originally posted by gordon1277

I had a 505 jib where the wire had stretched or sail had shrunk which made the entry very flat, impossible to read and the boat would not point at all.
Eased the tension bit of string and hay presto pointing off the line was possible.
 
It's the first thing after pulling up a new RS200 jib - untie the tack, and reset...


to another almost equally arbitrary position.
Hence it would be nice to be able to set it up while actually sailing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote hum3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 4:52pm
Arbitary maybe, but less arbitary than out the bag! 
(EDIT - this is a SMOD, so you do get a feel for what is about right) 
Not disagreeing with you. You need to be on the water to set it properly.


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Originally posted by fab100



Well we (sort of) got you there in the end, after how many pages? Tightening or easing the cloth (over the wire) with a jib cunningham indeed moves the draft point in the jib forwards and backwards and surprise, that is what it is for.


No you didn't you're as usual just researching my knowledge base for your next book, do you even sail boats with jibs?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote transient Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Jul 13 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by hum3

Originally posted by gordon1277

I had a 505 jib where the wire had stretched or sail had shrunk which made the entry very flat, impossible to read and the boat would not point at all.
Eased the tension bit of string and hay presto pointing off the line was possible.
 
It's the first thing after pulling up a new RS200 jib - untie the tack, and reset...



Indeed, just bought a new jib and on the first sail I could see it was too tight. All distorted and rucked up just below the tack eye. Went upwind like a turd. It would be nice to have something more accurate though (having sailed boats with jib cunny).

Varying degrees of draft position in this pic (not me I hasten to add):



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