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Originally posted by gordon

The Olymics can  run using 24 Fireflies.

Big rig (the Americans have extended the mast and fitted a gnav) Men's 2 handed and heavy-weight single-handed event
Normal rig Womens 2 handed and light-weight men's single handed
Storm sails women's single-handed.

All sailors (one reserve) then compete in a team racing event over 2  days.

8 proper sailing events leaving a few medals spares for the air-rowers

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Presuming Ed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 10:34am
Also, given the furore about BA sailing Robert Scheidt down the fleet in Sydney, with accusations of unsportsmanship, can you imagine how well a sport where the aim is to nobble the opposition would go down with the general public? 
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Post Options Post Options   Quote JohnJack Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 11:36am
Aren't most competitive sports effectively cases of two competitors trying to 'nobble' each other. As long as it is in the rules and not cheating I dont see anything wrong with it.

In the matter of BA and RS it has to be looked at in the context of the entire series, rather than an individual fleet race.
 
When it is a competitor on competitor which sailing is, and not a individual time trial, or golf maybe. 
Is it bad sportsmanship for an athlete to go out hard in the 10,000m to try and 'break' their opponent because maybe they are a faster finisher, for a snooker player to snooker there opponent.
I suppose chess is full of nobblers as that is kind of the aim of the game.

If you were handicap racing, get a fast start is it bad sportsmanship to cover faster boats behind you
(happens all the time at our Lake, a reason why I hate handicap racing)


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Presuming Ed Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 2:47pm
There's a difference between racing tactics that emphasise your good points, which hopefully doesn't coincide with your opponent's good points, and deliberately hindering him. Obstructing is banned in athletics, interfering is banned in rowing, you can't pull shirts in football, hands in the ruck aren't allowed in Rugby etc etc.  
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 3:03pm
Hindering, or slowing the opponent - ever watched the team tactics in cycling's Tour de France, or a track sprint, or short track ice skating, American football, snooker... or the shenanigans in soccer when a corner is taken

There is very little difference n the rules applied in team racing to those used for fleet racing - except that some manoeuvres that would be unseamanlike in fleet racing would be acceptable in team racing.
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Track cycling rules: 

3.2.041 Before the last 200 metre line or the start of the final sprint, riders may avail themselves of the full width of the track but must nevertheless leave sufficient space for their opponent to pass and shall refrain from any manoeuvres that could provoke a collision, a fall or cause any rider to ride off the track.

3.2.042 During the final sprint, even if launched before the last 200 metres, each rider shall remain in his lane up to the finish, unless he has at least a clear cycle-length lead and shall not make any
manoeuvre to prevent the opponent from passing.

And AFAIAA, the point of sprint tactics is to (if following), get yourself in a good position to launch off the leader's shoulder, get the jump on him before he can react. If leading, the opposite - make sure the follower doesn't get the jump on you. 

Road cycling rules: 
2.3.036 Riders shall be strictly forbidden to deviate from the lane they selected when launching into the sprint and, in so doing, endangering others.

And there's a difference between the peloton not actively chasing down a break, and having a team bunch up at the front, stop, and not let anybody pass. Haven't see that one happen yet. (Though there was the sit down protest at the time of Festina). 

Shows that scoring abbreviations aren't limited to sailing. ST speed skating has DQI for Impeding.



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Post Options Post Options   Quote Rupert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 5:01pm
Just shows what a great sport team racing is - you can do all sorts of things WITHOUT breaking or massively bending the rules!I've watched road cycling, and assumed it was OK for teams to gang up.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote gordon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 13 at 5:35pm
Just as a matter of interest "British Sailing Team" with a coupleof Olympic medals in the team finished 26th out of 34 in the recent Wilson Trophy. Sailing fast in a small fleet does not prepare for the close contact of team racing.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Marc di Maria Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Sep 14 at 9:53am
I totally agree. There is very little difference in the rules applied in racing team to those used for the fleet racing. One note that I have observed elsewhere in the Regatta in Saint Tropez France. Smile
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